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13 Jul 2015, 10:48 pm

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What if our earth-lives are our after-lives that we're in right now ?
Perhaps we just don't remember who we were after we died & find ourselves living human-lives ? 8O


It's funny you should say that, because there have been many times when I have also thought that perhaps, like the Bruce Willis character in the film about the boy who can see dead people (which I keep forgetting the name of), that I am already dead. How could one actually tell if the reality we believe to be real actually isn't, or at least isn't what we assume it to be (i.e. the realm of the living)?

Back in 1984 I actually tried to commit suicide by overdosing on sleeping pills, but all that happened the next morning was that I awoke later than I usually do (at about eleven), with what appeared to me to be what people call a hangover. Ever since I have just assumed that I really did wake up, but what if I actually did not? 8O

Maybe this is hell, but I just don't know it. It certainly would explain a lot, that's for sure.



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14 Jul 2015, 12:41 am

Can there be any doubt that some folks live in a plane of hell on earth.

Can there be any doubt that some folks live in a plane of heaven on earth.

I've been to both places.

No doubt for me;

And much nicer to be;

in the second

place now.

I never try to commit suicide;
think about it; yes, plenty when
i experience the suicide disease;
type two trigeminal neuralgia;
from waking to sleeping for
five years;
during
that period
of time i experience
two distinct seizure
type ordeals where i
seem to die; yet live;
the first 'death' results
in 40 days without sleep;
except for one hour each
night for the first 35 of 40 in 'hell';
with the assistance of a powerful
alpha blocker for a very shallow
one hour of sleep those first
35 nights; none the last five;
culminating in a hospital
visit where another death
like experience occurs;
but this time when
i wake up; i'm in
'heaven'; It just
does not
fully manifest,
until five years
later on July 22,
2013, or about
that date.

Yes;

tHere is stranger
stuff in this life
than 'fiction can
ever imagine';
not all survive
to tell the real
tales; but
a few
do;
Happy
to be
reporting
from Heaven..:)


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16 Jul 2015, 10:10 pm

Professor : You are a Christian, aren’t you, son ?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor: So, you believe in GOD ?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Professor : Is GOD good ?
Student : Sure.
Professor: Is GOD all powerful ?
Student : Yes.
Professor: My brother died of cancer even though
he prayed to GOD to heal him. Most of us would
attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn’t.
How is this GOD good then? Hmm?
(Student was silent.)
Professor: You can’t answer, can you ? Let’s
start again, young fella. Is GOD good?
Student : Yes.
Professor: Is satan good ?
Student : No.
Professor: Where does satan come from ?
Student : From … GOD …
Professor: That’s right. Tell me son, is there evil
in this world?
Student : Yes.
Professor: Evil is everywhere, isn’t it ? And GOD
did make everything. Correct?
Student : Yes.
Professor: So who created evil ?
(Student did not answer.)
Professor: Is there sickness? Immorality?
Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in
the world, don’t they?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor: So, who created them ?
(Student had no answer.)
Professor: Science says you have 5 Senses you
use to identify and observe the world around you.
Tell me, son, have you ever seen GOD?
Student : No, sir.
Professor: Tell us if you have ever heard your
GOD?
Student : No , sir.
Professor: Have you ever felt your GOD, tasted
your GOD, smelt your GOD? Have you ever had
any sensory perception of GOD for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I’m afraid I haven’t.
Professor: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student : Yes.
Professor : According to Empirical, Testable,
Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD
doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.
Professor: Yes, faith. And that is the problem
Science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Professor: Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as cold?
Professor: Yes.
Student : No, sir. There isn’t.
(The lecture theater became very quiet with this
turn of events.)
Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even
more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a
little heat or no heat. But we don’t have anything
called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero
which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after
that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only
a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We
cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not
the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.
(There was pin-drop silence in the lecture theater.)
Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is
there such a thing as darkness?
Professor: Yes. What is night if there isn’t
darkness?
Student : You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the
absence of something. You can have low light,
normal light, bright light, flashing light. But if you
have no light constantly, you have nothing and its
called darkness, isn’t it? In reality, darkness isn’t.
If it is, well you would be able to make darkness
darker, wouldn’t you?
Professor: So what is the point you are making,
young man ?
Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical
premise is flawed.
Professor: Flawed ? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of
duality. You argue there is life and then there is
death, a good GOD and a bad GOD. You are
viewing the concept of GOD as something finite,
something we can measure. Sir, Science can’t
even explain a thought. It uses electricity and
magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully
understood either one. To view death as the
opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that
death cannot exist as a substantive thing.
Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence
of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your
students that they evolved from a monkey?
Professor: If you are referring to the natural
evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed evolution with
your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shook his head with a smile,
beginning to realize where the argument was
going.)
Student : Since no one has ever observed the
process of evolution at work and cannot even
prove that this process is an on-going endeavor.
Are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you
not a scientist but a preacher?
(The class was in uproar.)
Student : Is there anyone in the class who has
ever seen the Professor’s brain?
(The class broke out into laughter. )
Student : Is there anyone here who has ever
heard the Professor’s brain, felt it, touched or
smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So,
according to the established Rules of Empirical,
Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that
you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir,
how do we then trust your lectures, sir?
(The room was silent. The Professor stared at the
student, his face unfathomable.)
Professor: I guess you’ll have to take them on
faith, son.
Student : That is it sir … Exactly ! The link
between man & GOD is FAITH. That is all that
keeps things alive and moving.


It turned out that the student was Albert Einstein.
~I just copy paste this story whether fiction/not.



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16 Jul 2015, 10:46 pm

An interesting take on the business.

However, unless the Universe is intelligently organised and thus consistent and intelligible, any "faith" at all is equally believable or unbelievable. Voodoo would be the go.

We're stuck in a material world of time and space. Observation and logic should prevail.

Yes, I'm a Christian, and I contend that nothing else can explain what we see.



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17 Jul 2015, 12:29 am

Owl123 wrote:
Professor : You are a Christian, aren’t you, son ?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor: So, you believe in GOD ?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Professor : Is GOD good ?
Student : Sure.
Professor: Is GOD all powerful ?
Student : Yes.
Professor: My brother died of cancer even though
he prayed to GOD to heal him. Most of us would
attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn’t.
How is this GOD good then? Hmm?
(Student was silent.)
Professor: You can’t answer, can you ? Let’s
start again, young fella. Is GOD good?
Student : Yes.
Professor: Is satan good ?
Student : No.
Professor: Where does satan come from ?
Student : From … GOD …
Professor: That’s right. Tell me son, is there evil
in this world?
Student : Yes.
Professor: Evil is everywhere, isn’t it ? And GOD
did make everything. Correct?
Student : Yes.
Professor: So who created evil ?
(Student did not answer.)
Professor: Is there sickness? Immorality?
Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in
the world, don’t they?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor: So, who created them ?
(Student had no answer.)
Professor: Science says you have 5 Senses you
use to identify and observe the world around you.
Tell me, son, have you ever seen GOD?
Student : No, sir.
Professor: Tell us if you have ever heard your
GOD?
Student : No , sir.
Professor: Have you ever felt your GOD, tasted
your GOD, smelt your GOD? Have you ever had
any sensory perception of GOD for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I’m afraid I haven’t.
Professor: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student : Yes.
Professor : According to Empirical, Testable,
Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD
doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.
Professor: Yes, faith. And that is the problem
Science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Professor: Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as cold?
Professor: Yes.
Student : No, sir. There isn’t.
(The lecture theater became very quiet with this
turn of events.)
Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even
more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a
little heat or no heat. But we don’t have anything
called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero
which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after
that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only
a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We
cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not
the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.
(There was pin-drop silence in the lecture theater.)
Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is
there such a thing as darkness?
Professor: Yes. What is night if there isn’t
darkness?
Student : You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the
absence of something. You can have low light,
normal light, bright light, flashing light. But if you
have no light constantly, you have nothing and its
called darkness, isn’t it? In reality, darkness isn’t.
If it is, well you would be able to make darkness
darker, wouldn’t you?
Professor: So what is the point you are making,
young man ?
Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical
premise is flawed.
Professor: Flawed ? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of
duality. You argue there is life and then there is
death, a good GOD and a bad GOD. You are
viewing the concept of GOD as something finite,
something we can measure. Sir, Science can’t
even explain a thought. It uses electricity and
magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully
understood either one. To view death as the
opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that
death cannot exist as a substantive thing.
Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence
of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your
students that they evolved from a monkey?
Professor: If you are referring to the natural
evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed evolution with
your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shook his head with a smile,
beginning to realize where the argument was
going.)
Student : Since no one has ever observed the
process of evolution at work and cannot even
prove that this process is an on-going endeavor.
Are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you
not a scientist but a preacher?
(The class was in uproar.)
Student : Is there anyone in the class who has
ever seen the Professor’s brain?
(The class broke out into laughter. )
Student : Is there anyone here who has ever
heard the Professor’s brain, felt it, touched or
smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So,
according to the established Rules of Empirical,
Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that
you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir,
how do we then trust your lectures, sir?
(The room was silent. The Professor stared at the
student, his face unfathomable.)
Professor: I guess you’ll have to take them on
faith, son.
Student : That is it sir … Exactly ! The link
between man & GOD is FAITH. That is all that
keeps things alive and moving.


It turned out that the student was Albert Einstein.
~I just copy paste this story whether fiction/not.


Albert Einstein was Jewish though. Ooops... :oops:



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17 Jul 2015, 1:01 am

In my own perspective, God isn't just with the premise that it's all about religion. The belief of God can also come across in spirituality. There can even be a Quantum God.

The failure to see, feel, taste, touch, smell, or hear God himself might mean he does not exist as a physical body, but that doesn't exclude the existence of something our senses cannot grasp.

Even in Quantum Physics tells about what our sights cannot clearly see that leaves us always questioning.
Why are even there such black holes in space and the why we morphed into human beings. Why cannot a scientist exactly prove the mere existence of anything.

No offense. Just my own perspective. hah. :heart:



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17 Jul 2015, 1:07 am

NOTE: I just copy paste what I posted about the conversation of a prof and student. I'm aware it isn't Albert Einstein. Just probably someone who wrote it meant to make a point that even a great scientist can or do believe in God.



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17 Jul 2015, 1:47 am

Eeeyerk!

You float around the issue as if you were not one of us mortals stuck in time-space. Reality is that observable thing around us and in us. It (reality) is not just some figment of the imagination of some runaway ego.

I don't think that Allberk Einstein is a "great scientist" at all. Plagiarist and fantasist, perhaps. Scientist... no.



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17 Jul 2015, 8:19 am

Oldavid wrote:
Eeeyerk!

You float around the issue as if you were not one of us mortals stuck in time-space. Reality is that observable thing around us and in us. It (reality) is not just some figment of the imagination of some runaway ego.

I don't think that Allbert Einstein is a "great scientist" at all. Plagiarist and fantasist, perhaps. Scientist... no.

Really, if he was a fantasist, why have most all the predictions his theories made been verified through scientific and observational testing. He didn't create anything, he described how the natural world works according to broad, elegant theories. As to being a plagiarist, he was an unknown physicist in 1905 as a patent clerk when he published his four foundational physics papers in his so called 'miracle year'. These were four papers that went beyond the very bounds of known physics. Other physicists had only seen the same errors he did while in school and nobody had answers of any sort to solve these errors. That's why his professors disliked him, because he asked the tough questions they had no answers for. There was nothing like what he did in existence. It took a long time for acceptance because it was so difficult and innovative. You should really read and study before posting nonsense...



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17 Jul 2015, 11:54 am

Oldavid wrote:
I don't think that Allberk Einstein is a "great scientist" at all. Plagiarist and fantasist, perhaps. Scientist... no.
where's your proof?



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Fugu wrote:
Oldavid wrote:
I don't think that Allberk Einstein is a "great scientist" at all. Plagiarist and fantasist, perhaps. Scientist... no.
where's your proof?
None of you chaps have ever, to my knowledge, been deterred from your ideological presuppositions by any kind of reason, evidence, or "proof" and I see no reason to suspect that you might do so now. The Einsteinean notion of "relativity" has many credible critics and you can find them if you are even slightly disposed to question the "establishment version" of Materialism.



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Oldavid wrote:
Eeeyerk!

You float around the issue as if you were not one of us mortals stuck in time-space. Reality is that observable thing around us and in us. It (reality) is not just some figment of the imagination of some runaway ego.

I don't think that Allberk Einstein is a "great scientist" at all. Plagiarist and fantasist, perhaps. Scientist... no.

"Reality" seems to me to be what we perceive. My reality is different from your reality because my world view is different from yours.


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glebel wrote:
Oldavid wrote:
Eeeyerk!

You float around the issue as if you were not one of us mortals stuck in time-space. Reality is that observable thing around us and in us. It (reality) is not just some figment of the imagination of some runaway ego.

I don't think that Allberk Einstein is a "great scientist" at all. Plagiarist and fantasist, perhaps. Scientist... no.

"Reality" seems to me to be what we perceive. My reality is different from your reality because my world view is different from yours.
Damn subjectivism, Glebels, is indistinguishable from agnosticism which simply means that " the only thing you can know is that you can't know anything".

I don't swallow any of that self-contradictory nonsense. Reality is what it is completely independent of your opinion or mine.



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24 Sep 2015, 12:28 pm

Lintar wrote:
Albert Einstein was Jewish though. Ooops... :oops:


And believed in hard core determinism.



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Oldavid wrote:
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Oldavid wrote:
Eeeyerk!

You float around the issue as if you were not one of us mortals stuck in time-space. Reality is that observable thing around us and in us. It (reality) is not just some figment of the imagination of some runaway ego.

I don't think that Allberk Einstein is a "great scientist" at all. Plagiarist and fantasist, perhaps. Scientist... no.

"Reality" seems to me to be what we perceive. My reality is different from your reality because my world view is different from yours.
Damn subjectivism, Glebels, is indistinguishable from agnosticism which simply means that " the only thing you can know is that you can't know anything".

I don't swallow any of that self-contradictory nonsense. Reality is what it is completely independent of your opinion or mine.

The reality of the situation is that you don't view reality the same way as I do.


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24 Sep 2015, 1:34 pm

glebel wrote:
Oldavid wrote:
Reality is what it is completely independent of your opinion or mine.
The reality of the situation is that you don't view reality the same way as I do.

That doesn't change the nature of reality.