29 Sep 2021, 1:28 pm
funeralxempire
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29 Sep 2021, 1:35 pm
29 Sep 2021, 5:04 pm
Jakki wrote:
am thinking the morning after pill maybe available , over the counter in France.
At one time the US was on that track , back in the 70s and 80 s..
But if that were to happen here, you would throw out of work so many lawyers that worked on
Roe V Wade
And ruin an election bargaining chip that has been around for years .
At one time the US was on that track , back in the 70s and 80 s..
But if that were to happen here, you would throw out of work so many lawyers that worked on
Roe V Wade
And ruin an election bargaining chip that has been around for years .
Atrocity...
Obscenity...
And politics...
29 Sep 2021, 5:17 pm
Jakki wrote:
The US border is aligned with the poorer countries . Immigration requirements for the US are pretty lax compared to Canadas . And what is weird is How people from Haiti are showing up at the US / Mexivo border.
On a slightly different note: if these thousands and thousand of immigrants are showing up at our borders . Why do they not remove their governments or whatever obstacles are in the way of their prosperity .. This seems to be the land of free money. And housing or whatever else you need .
And these things are made available to these immigrants, as soon as they go through the immigration process. When you see so many people whom grew up here .
Not getting work . or Able to get small business loans Or adequate medical care.. Shouldn't we be considering the people whom were in this Country before them and sorting those issues out . And i apologize if i am sounding Xenophobic .. But am left with few other possible , points of veiw.
On a slightly different note: if these thousands and thousand of immigrants are showing up at our borders . Why do they not remove their governments or whatever obstacles are in the way of their prosperity .. This seems to be the land of free money. And housing or whatever else you need .
And these things are made available to these immigrants, as soon as they go through the immigration process. When you see so many people whom grew up here .
Not getting work . or Able to get small business loans Or adequate medical care.. Shouldn't we be considering the people whom were in this Country before them and sorting those issues out . And i apologize if i am sounding Xenophobic .. But am left with few other possible , points of veiw.
You are not being xenophobic.
I see nothing wrong with "Charity beginning at the home", all things being equal.
Would Blabby be happy if his equally valid needs are second to people who enter the country "illegally"?
My parents came here and received a pittance from the Australian government to contribute to the community.
They had to earn their place in society through hard work and were expected to take care of their own needs.
They had no child support to lean on for their personal decision to have two kids.
They had no immediate social security, rent subsidies, donated white goods or endless lawyers/solicitors paid by public taxes.
My father worked 3 jobs at one time to get ahead and, with my mother, buy a business to make their kid's lives more comfortable.
Politics, with its sanctimony, self-righteousness, and virtue-signalling can stick it where the sun don't shine.
29 Sep 2021, 5:42 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
Jakki wrote:
On a slightly different note: if these thousands and thousand of immigrants are showing up at our borders . Why do they not remove their governments or whatever obstacles are in the way of their prosperity
Why don't they try to fight a war with their state when they'll most likely just be declared terrorists and killed for their troubles?
Probably because they'd rather remain alive and just move to get their kids to somewhere safer.
It's easy to advocate for other people to engage in violence when you won't have to bear any of the consequences of that choice, but why would someone who doesn't understand the problem and doesn't have any interest in the outcome be considered a worthwhile source of advice?
So, you would have no border regulation in America at all?
If so, have you considered what the consequences would be as a result of that?
You do realise there would be multitudes of *economic* want-to-be immigrants, as has been the case here in Australia, right?
It isn't a simplistic situation where all the hundreds of thousands of immigrants have a valid reason for travelling illegally to America.
The vetting system is there for a reason.
Terrorists, alligators agitators and criminal syndicates need not apply.
Easy for people to make sanctimonious statements criticisms when they don't have to suffer the consequence, Canadian.
The foolishness of people who don't consider or can't see the complexities involved is staggering.
<Pepe is staggered>
But then, you are a Canadian and don't have to consider the ramification of American politics.
You do see the irony, here, right?
If you *do* believe country border policies are necessary, disregard my entire post.
It then is nonsense.
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29 Sep 2021, 6:03 pm
Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Jakki wrote:
On a slightly different note: if these thousands and thousand of immigrants are showing up at our borders . Why do they not remove their governments or whatever obstacles are in the way of their prosperity
Why don't they try to fight a war with their state when they'll most likely just be declared terrorists and killed for their troubles?
Probably because they'd rather remain alive and just move to get their kids to somewhere safer.
It's easy to advocate for other people to engage in violence when you won't have to bear any of the consequences of that choice, but why would someone who doesn't understand the problem and doesn't have any interest in the outcome be considered a worthwhile source of advice?
So, you would have no border regulation in America at all?
If so, have you considered what the consequences would be as a result of that?
You do realise there would be multitudes of *economic* want-to-be immigrants, as has been the case here in Australia, right?
It isn't a simplistic situation where all the hundreds of thousands of immigrants have a valid reason for travelling illegally to America.
The vetting system is there for a reason.
Terrorists, alligators agitators and criminal syndicates need not apply.
Easy for people to make sanctimonious statements criticisms when they don't have to suffer the consequence, Canadian.
The foolishness of people who don't consider or can't see the complexities involved is staggering.
<Pepe is staggered>
But then, you are a Canadian and don't have to consider the ramification of American politics.
You do see the irony, here, right?
If you *do* believe country border policies are necessary, disregard my entire post.
It then is nonsense.
Disregarded as you suggest.
Of course I believe a country needs to have border policies and immigration policies, that's one of the things a state is expected to do.
For that matter, I wouldn't be opposed to Canada being more welcoming to refugees from other parts of the Americas. Smart American leadership would try to leverage allies to help address the issue, at least if it wasn't such a long-term dangerous issue to raise for American politicians. Railing against any form of immigration from Latin America has long been a staple in certain circles. Pete Wilson tried to use it in the same way the current crop of anti-immigration right does.
None of that was the issue being raised though. The issue being raised was why don't people who flee as refugees resort to violence against the government where they live instead of fleeing for somewhere they feel like more likely to be safe.
Why don't they try an insurrection instead? misses the point of what motivates people to leave on many levels. Why don't they just solve whatever wicked problems have caused where they live to be unbearable disregarding whatever risks to them and their loved ones might be associated with that.
Because they understand they can't and they wish to preserve their own well-being along with whoever they make the journey with. And that's a choice they're entitled to make even if it means getting busted and detained and sent back or if it means living somewhere undocumented and against that state's laws.
29 Sep 2021, 6:56 pm
30 Sep 2021, 12:50 pm
30 Sep 2021, 4:30 pm
01 Oct 2021, 4:54 am
01 Oct 2021, 5:03 am
AliceCooper wrote:
Mountain Goat wrote:
Some of your new laws are stupid.
Our constitution isn't stupid. Our laws are not stupid. America is still a nation people are trying to break into, and, not away from, we are a great nation!
I think the instigation/implementation of weaponised "Critical Race Theory" at skools is grossly divisive, simplistic, immoral and just plain stupid.
No society is perfect, just ask the woke community.
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01 Oct 2021, 5:26 am
01 Oct 2021, 5:35 am
auntblabby wrote:
what really gets under my skin are those racist hypocrites who in an earlier generation were persecuting POC and now they don't want their kids to know about what they did. that is what opposition to CRT amounts to.
For you.
Not for me.
01 Oct 2021, 8:47 am
01 Oct 2021, 8:56 am
Pepe wrote:
AliceCooper wrote:
Mountain Goat wrote:
Some of your new laws are stupid.
Our constitution isn't stupid. Our laws are not stupid. America is still a nation people are trying to break into, and, not away from, we are a great nation!
I think the instigation/implementation of weaponised "Critical Race Theory" at skools is grossly divisive, simplistic, immoral and just plain stupid.
No society is perfect, just ask the woke community.
Yeah, that is, but that will spread like wildfire CRT will be in every nation that is up to parents and guardians to fight it. Some states like Florida and Michigan did ban it.
01 Oct 2021, 9:01 am
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