Is there any proof God exists?

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That's just insanity. Sorry you had to go through that.

I don't doubt that extreme fasting leads to an altered state of consciousness. I have no doubt that extreme deprivation like that led to a lot of the euphoria I felt, but at the same time I wonder if God didn't lead me to that place for that very reason. I'm sure that was it. I'd drink water, but it tasted sweeter than honey. Possibly a result of the buildup of acetone in my blood and saliva, but it was a pleasant sensation for the most part. Where it was not so pleasant was the taste never went away. There was no getting used to it, like having a mouth full of candy that never goes away. And then there was this smell like nail polish remover hanging around my nose…and I was like, wait, that's ME??? But the almost constant state of euphoria, with some exception…that was really nice.

My lows weren't even that unpleasant. Nothing a liter of water and a little sleep couldn't cure. Before the last week, the worst it ever got was this one point I was playing keyboards in a church service. I did good through the praise time, managed to stay alert during the sermon, but when I went back up at the end of the service, I started getting tunnel vision, a massive wave of nausea, started shaking, and went into a cold sweat. I've NEVER had cold sweats before in my life, and this was in the middle of winter. I'm freezing to death and I'm sweating bullets. I managed to hang in there just long enough, and when everyone was dismissed I grabbed a chair and sat down until my vision cleared. I think at that point I still had 3 weeks to go, and it never got that bad after that, other than bad dreams and being unable to breathe the last week.

I'm not suggesting anyone try what I did, but I think anyone who feels some spiritual connection needs to do SOMETHING that will have a similar effect, same as some of the things you mentioned which, I'm sure, are MUCH safer! I believe if God empowers you to do something, you'll be able to do it. The trouble is knowing if God has actually done that. In my experience, what always worked for me was prayer and asking God to make His will irresistible. In other words, if something I feel strongly about doing is within His will, I want it to be impossible NOT to do whatever that is. The call to fast became so loud I could no longer ignore it. Same kind of thing happened when I applied for grad schools. I started applying for three programs. I probably could have gotten accepted to all three, but I was honestly unqualified for my particular major. I was just willing to bust my buns if I actually got accepted. There was a particular school I was passionate about, and so my other two applications were really half-hearted efforts. I wasn't optimistic that I'd get into this school, and the fact that I did just made the other two schools irrelevant. The plain fact is there was at least one prof at that school pulling for me, and he didn't even really know me, and the odds of getting in were so against me otherwise. So my prayer was always, "God, is this really the direction You want? Because if it's not, there's no possible way I can get into this school." So when I got my letter, I was already rolling my eyes and reading out loud "Thank you for your interest…blah…blah…blah…we regret to inform you that…etc. etc. etc." before I even opened it. So when I read the acceptance letter, I just about passed out. And given how unqualified I was for the program, I feel there's no way I can take credit for getting into the program. God put the right people in the right place at the right time, placed the burden on me to take those steps, and I'm convinced it couldn't have been any other way. I succeeded. Not as well as I'd have liked, but I completed my degree and have been writing music ever since.

Every other big step in my life has been one blessing after another. I never wanted kids…just seemed like the right thing to do. It's been AWESOME, and I never expected that, and I'd never take any of it back.

There is not an iota of objective evidence that "proves" God exists. The best argument for the existence of God is the argument from design, but it can be shown that the apparent design of the cosmos is not design but happenstance.

If God exists It has done a wonderful job of hiding Itself.

ruveyn

That's a very inspirational story. Thanks for sharing.

Yes, not sure if GOD is fair, as it certainly seems that some folks cannot perceive and or use the higher power that can come with GOD over the course of a life....

WHO knows why, but i for one KNOW i am blessed, as i have certainly lived in THAT 'OTHER PLACE' too.....

It sounds all too familiar at this point of wisdom in my life.. that thank GOD comes to me AGAIN, AS GOD LIVES WITH ME AS A CHILD.. before i die...

So perhaps there is still time for some others too.. to find GOD too.. understanding that GOD is not a noun or a thing.. instead THE FORCE OF LIFE.. that not all fully experience, in sensory and emotional way.. as sad as that may be to me now..

BUT WHEN ONE BECOMES ALIGNED WITH THE FORCE OF GOD.. REAL LIFE HUMAN MIRACLES CAN AND DO HAPPEN.

AND I FOR ONE HAVE IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE OF THAT.. that no scientist or doctor CAN EXPLAIN....

AND OTHERS do too....

Perhaps doctor and scientists will come to provide evidence for it one day too..

And I am already helping them understand it in real life now, in the clinical world, as is....per their words.. of affirmation.. as i find more ways to express myself in concrete ways of how I healed myself with the help of GOD....

But again, the results, the evidence, are documented and beyond refute....

god helped you find your car keys, pass an exam, find a lost dog, reminded you that you left the cooker on when you were leaving the house etc etc etc . . . . brilliant. Shame about those starving kids in Africa and babies born with AiDS, I guess their prayers and their parents' prayers and their parents' prayers aren't getting through.

Same old story, time and time again from deluded, indoctrinated believers - god gets all of the credit, but none of the blame.

Tedious, dull, boring, infantile, nonsensical and downright pathetic.

If you can thank him you can blame him.

That's the problem with anthropomorphizing GOD.. as the darkness comes with the light.. and GOD AS NATURE GETS ALL THE CREDIT.. to me.. whether it is a cataclysm and the ending of all life on earth from a comet hitting SQUARE IN AIM.. or a Sunny bright morn.. and GORGEOUS tanned girl without a bikini.... (my wife by the way..ha!ha!:)....

To stay humble and blessed AND STRONG AND CONFIDENT.. IS to know all the darkness AND LIGHT of GOD that CAN be.. SO to thank what IS FOR WHAT IS.. AS IS....FOR NOW....

I don't know of any fair GOD.. all I know is GOD as Nature TRUE... and come 'hell' or high water.. there is no use in blaming anyone for THAT..

THERE IS NO 'GOOD' OR 'EVIL' IN MY BOOK.. only myth of METAPHOR OF what GOD can do.... and YES that THINGY folks call GOOD and EVIL that I TOO.. use as metaphor too.. AFTER all is said and done.. WRITTEN language is just a human TOOL.... yes A METAPHOR IS all OF THAT.... CONCRETE or soft for tell of tales....

But I've been to the most dark AND LIGHT of places AND with or without feelings.. blaming is just.. a dead end road.....dead or alive....Anthropomorphized GOD..FORCE OF NATURE.. AS GOD OR NOT...

The blame game is just a waste of time and that's ALL tHere IS to THAT..

AND CERTAINLY a source of much human death and destruction by the hand of human illusion that CAN kill so well.....with tools of ANTHROPOMORPHIZED 'gunS' and ANTHROPOMORPHIZED TRIBAL DEVELOPED..

QUARTER BACK GOD...

Hmm... tribal "Quarter Back GOD".. i think i'll use that one.. somewhere else..

As ever, Fred - as eccentrically bizarre as your posts are, I have no issues with your metaphorical concept of 'god' as Nature, Physics and the Laws of the Universe, after all, these things are the cause, reason and driving force behind every living organism there ever has been, there is, and ever will be; if anything deserves the label of 'god', it's those Natural, awesome and powerful forces.

We have common ground in our awe and fascination with the Cosmos and beautiful spectacles of Nature. I raise a metaphorical glass to you, Sir

Oh.. i understand.. not a defense from me just an AMPLIFICATION of your point.. smiles... and cheers to that toast..

Aghogday, within your understanding of god, do you allow for any form of sentience and therefore the possibility of deliberate, directed intervention?

Badger your second to last post sums it up perfectly for me. What I find worrying is the attitude of some fundamental Christians who rather than blame their god for misfortune, instead blame the individual or society, defending God's actions as righteous. It seems to me that given the opportunity these people would install a biblical regime not unlike ISIS.

I agree right there, God didn't help me find my car keys or get my car or pass an exam all that I did on my own and hard work. LOL as for the horrible things like babies being born with AIDS I suppose you can roll with the "well God works in mysterious ways" BS. LOL I mean its almost like..God does not exist at all!! *gasp*

Human kind is a sentient manifestation of THE GOD of Nature..

And yeah I worship the GOD of Nature from the time I get up and the sun shines on my naked body doing TAI-CHI-like movement in total mind and body balance listening to whatever music on Youtube I like with my ear buds from iPhone hooked up to me like I'm into A 'cultural hive' of life.. in love.. with all that is inside me... outside me.. all around me.. above AND so below...

Humankind is one form of sentient manifestation of THE GOD of Nature, and my cat Yellow BOY is another form that 'smells better' than I do.

We (EVERY CREATURE IN THE FRIGGING UNIVERSE) all have our strengths and weaknesses in diversity of uncountable ways of perceiving life, and that's what makes this whole thing so frigging REAL LIFE MAGICKAL NOW IS that humankind has made a way of life for one who takes advantage of it IN MIND AND BODY BALANCE to SERIOUSLY LIVE IN A RELATIVE HEAVEN NOW, considering what the other animals have to deal with on a daily basis out in the UNIVERSE WILD....

I mean, seriously, just the benefit of toilet paper and not having an itchy butt is heaven, ain't it...

A warm shower...

Whatever the hell ya wanna eat at the all ya can eat buffet....

'72,000' virgin LOOKING FEMALES MADE UP ALL LIKE THAT TO LOOK at if one's IN to THAT...available on the Interwebz...

Hell, this is what some extremist Muslim folks die for, as martyrs, just to get 'into' 72 or 49 or whatever number of virgins they are promised in an imaginary afterlife that the American male gets for free on the Interwebz uncensored as such....in a virtual HIGH DEF WAY....

IS IT ANY WONDER there are no more terrorist acts of great note IN THE good OLD U.S.A. WHEN A POTENTIAL terrorist gets here and finds THIS IS REAL HEAVEN...NOW!

WHO knows if that is the reason but sure it could be part of it.. just imagine the thrill in comparison of uncensored Internet over here as compared to over THERE..

HELL that could LEAD TO WORLD PEACE, IF EVERYONE GETS A PIECE of that HEAVEN LIKE action....

MR. DENT, really, this is so simple.

Back in the day folks have the innate instinct and intuition that there are laws and a driving FORCE of Nature known as the three letter word GOD that brings order to life when studied, learned, understood better, and practiced.

Religion is all there is for science then...

And Now there is science that calls the GOD thingy, then, Nature NOW....

The problem is with rigid black and white thinkers who are afraid of change, whether it is another labeled name for the THREE LETTERED WORD OF THE GOD of Nature LIKE ALLAH OR WHATEVER, OR EVEN GODZILLA, or WTF, OR the refusal to bring to light the understanding that the essence of truth remains the same no matter the language, culture, religion, or science labels that SCRIBE THAT TRUTH.

The INNATE INSTINCTUAL INTUITIVE POTENTIAL that human emotion and sensory abilities bring to the table of human when enhanced through regulation and integration through physical intelligence as the driving force is the essence of TRUTH, AND WRITTEN words as metaphors designed by human beings are simply symbols as tools to guide one better with THE Truth and the LIGHT OF THAT EMOTIONAL AND SENSORY LIFE!

Human relative free will in balancing mind and body; belief, hope, faith, and the attribute of unconditional LOVE ARE NOT JUST EMPTY WORDS; THEY ARE SYMBOLS, WORDS, LABELS, TOOLS, FOR THE ESSENCE OF HUMAN TRUTH EMOTING ACTION in life....

Science cannot cover everything as everything is not a repeatable experiment, particularly when it comes to the TRUE MAGICKAL EMOTING POWER OF ALL OF POTENTIAL IN ABILITIES driven by humans emotions and senses.

MAGICK, by the way, is a term originated by the British Occultist and Poet, Aleister Crowley, and it simply means the pursuit of the inner life of human being to reach greater human potential.

Religion, Culture, and Science are benefits but also, at times, roadblocks, in exploring, REGULATING AND INTEGRATING the inner driving force of emotional and sensory intelligence POWERED BY PHYSICAL INTELLIGENCE that is a healing and DRIVING force for greater human potential...

WE are THE EMOTIONS AND SENSES OF the GOD of Nature UNBOUND IN THE METAPHOR OF the POTENTIAL OF THE 'QUANTUM' human mind AND BODY IN BALANCE unleashed.

A child of GOD is simply what that is.. the EMOTIONS AND SENSES OF GOD UNLEASHED....

HUMANS ALREADY MOVE MOUNTAINS; THEY ARE VISIBLE SKYSCRAPERS AND ALL OTHER MONUMENTS CREATED BY THE tools of written abstract human language aka the WORD OF GOD UNABRIDGED AND ALL OTHER SENTIENT COMMUNICATION in the UNIVERSE bringing MORE tools of COLLECTIVE RECORDED INTELLIGENCE PER BYPRODUCTS OF complex culture, as WE bridge the gap of GOD WITH WE AND WE BECOME ONE WITH GOD....A MIGHTY MANIFESTED SENTIENT FORCE.. always working stronger together than alone......

IF ALL THAT AIN'T WORTH WORSHIPPING, NOTHING IS...

NIHILISM IS THE 'EVIL'; relative Human FREE WILL balancing mind and body, BELIEF, FAITH, HOPE, and TRUST IN WHAT IS, IS THE MEDICINE.

THE RESULT THAT CAN BE THAT IS ALL AROUND US FOR THOSE WHO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT, IN MIND AND BODY balance WHO simply live in REAL HEAVEN NOW...

AND yeah, sure, there is that other place for people who don't appreciate AND ACT ON, PER 'just doing It, where they REaLLY ARE NOW.....

IT'S ALL METAPHOR BUT AT ESSENCE OF TRUTH IT'S ALL REAL TOO...

And this is my favorite movie clip that CAN apply to NOW.



The form of metaphors DO NOT MATTER alone PER different vehicles and vessels that house the truth.

The essence of TRUTH IS WHAT COUNTS.

AND WHEN one ARRIVES IN BLISS AND STAYS THERE NOW..

There is NOW FOREVER IN HEAVEN NOW.

It just does NOT get any better than that..

And I for one, don't even need the 72K virgins to make me feel that way.....

To master heaven is TO LIVE REAL forevermorenow....

Anything else is meaningless fluff....

or NIHILISM, TAKE your pick....

WITH DUE RESPECT OF COURSE...
if ya get THIS far..

And truly I WILL like nothing better than IF YOU AND EVERYBODY ELSE DOES NOW..

'They' WILL JUST be smiling foreverMOREnow.. that's all....

SORRY.. books and school will NOT TEACH one this, for one WHO has THE POTENTIAL to hear it, PRACTICE IT, IN ACTION NOW....

And there are many Paths that work JUST AS amazing in real life HUMAN BEING MAGICK Miracles NOW.

You are insane.

I CERTAINLY hope so as if that's TRUE THAT PUTS ME in an excellent 'TRADE' of life:

http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/924-here-s-to-the-crazy-ones-the-misfits-the-rebels-the



And on top of that when a person can have this much fun at age 54, who the hell wants to BE the peg that FITS in the hole of hell..OF LIFE....

I live in heaven BABY and I can prove THAT HERE.

IF YOU CAN'T SMILE BY THE END OF THIS..

Check your pulse....

http://katiemiafrederick.com/2014/12/09/gods-muse-of-dance/

Whatever the hell I am IT WORKS AND THAT'S AN IRREFUTABLE FACT.

I didn't make well over a hundred gorgeous smiling girls happy like THAT WITHOUT SOMETHING
UNIQUE and special about ME.

Like I said, It Just don't get any better than this...

'Call me back' when you are age 54 and tell me if you can do THAT.

Oh yeah, and let's see if you go to the gym and LEG PRESS 930 LBS with your legs 12 times like I did tonight, and in case you missed IT here is the irrefutable evidence of one videoed slow rep. when I was 'just' at 810LBS two months ago with my female gym attendant friend exclaiming 'HOLY SH**'. The other 11 reps. are evidenced in high-definition panoramic view in the comment section of the Youtube video below, just in case you missed THAT EVIDENCE earlier in the thread...too...



Dude or dudette.. or whatever you are.. I don't wanna be anyone but me, and no matter who or WHAT you are, I can only hope you feel the same way about YOU.


OH GOD.. SOMETIMES the folks around here are so predictable.. it's amusing.. inspiring.. for just 500 more words..or so..

Keep it coming.. A 'Real Life Superman'.. DOES NOT get tired....OR EVER GIVES UP.. to 'little' people.. personal attacks.....

The lowest hierarchy of critical thinking THAT EXISTS....

heHE....

Haha..! Synchronicity again.. interestingly enough.. i am wearing that shirt again.. in my post linked above.. per "GOD's Muse of Dance"...

Same as last time.. when you brought Sheldon in on the defense team..

Except that was a different post where you posted the "Schrodinger's GINGER (is that cat dead or alive) Cat" photo from THAT CAT post..

An ELEPHANT OR ASPIE NEVER FORGETS.. WITH rote memory FULLY STILL IN tact and TOW..

So tick tack toe that.. what THE hell.. Just.. Ynot..

DO IT!

be free..........................................................................................................................................

^^^
* different as there are scores more girls in THAT CAT post now..