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23 Nov 2016, 3:26 am

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Are you saying that women's morality is skewed because of their womanhood? Sounds rather misogynistic to me.


That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that if men have ideas about what women should do with regards to reproduction and their bodies, there's no reason why women shouldn't come up with some ideas for men.


If you believe it appropriate to joke about male castration, it's also appropriate to joke about your framing of the joke as being informed by your womanhood. You might say it cuts both ways.

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I'll settle for a male equivalent to the pill. We should see a few male contraceptive solutions available in the next year or two.


I doubt it. Last I heard, the trials were stopped because men experienced side effects similar to some of those women on the pill experience. That was deemed unacceptable for men.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/th ... verything/

This was discussed on here about a year ago if memory serves. The article also briefly mentions several alternatives that also should hit the market within a few years.



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23 Nov 2016, 6:15 am

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Last I heard, the trials were stopped because men experienced side effects similar to some of those women on the pill experience. That was deemed unacceptable for men.

If men were the ones to produce children there wouldn't even be a discussion. Anything that interferes with a man reaching his full potential is automatically too much of an imposition. Carrying a child would be viewed as a sacrifice on the man's part and his autonomy would not be questioned should he choose not to.



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23 Nov 2016, 8:51 am

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If you believe it appropriate to joke about male castration, it's also appropriate to joke about your framing of the joke as being informed by your womanhood. You might say it cuts both ways.


A vasectomy is not castration, and I wasn't joking.



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23 Nov 2016, 10:30 am

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the cognitive abilities


It was highly-ironic, to come to an autism site, and use these as excuses to terminate a life, like the saying about the three fingers, which point back, at you.

Where are all these genetically-perfect people, with no apprehensions in life, who could never deserve to be aborted. Do they exist, anywhere?

More toward the topic, it is also ironic, when sjw's are told that pacifism is a superior response to militarism. That comes across as controlled opposition, to me. That hero of Tienanmen, who stood in front of a tank, used to be called a zipperhead, by your own praetorians, like John Wayne.

Everyone diagnosed with autism, save for those who have recently suffered serious brain injuries placing them in a persistent vegetative state, experiences subjectivity and an ongoing sense of self and has cognitive abilities which far outweigh a pig.

The rest of your post seems completely irrelevant.

For avoidance of doubt, here are the things that I consider intrinsically worthy of the right to life:

- Humans aged over 90 days, except perhaps those in extremely advanced stages of some neurodegenerative diseases, some born with extreme neurological deformities (entire macroscopic structures missing), and some with extreme brain trauma which will prevent them from ever thinking again.
- Apes, (post-infancy and with the same exceptions above)
- Dogs, likewise (and likewise from here)
- Cats
- Pigs
- Cetaceans
- Any other animal reasonably determined to be capable of suffering and holding an ongoing sense of self
- Non-Earth lifeforms fitting the above
- Non-organic intelligences fitting the above

You'd discard the vast majority of them, in order to protect a few humans who are barely capable of cognition at all, and you act like you're the defender of life? You hold the moral highground? Please. I'll only accept being lectured on this by someone who holds a consistent view towards different life forms - for example, maybe someone who avoids using anti-bacterials.



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23 Nov 2016, 10:43 am

I have a 70 year old friend who is partially verbal, a genius, my mentor, and a stroke survivor. He lives in an assisted living facility. He's been depressed since his stroke a couple years ago and has been barely speaking. Oh and he's autistic.

Okay so he has recently made a "lady friend" (I believe she is his girlfriend now) who started off as one of those volunteers who visit elderly people and cheer them up. She said she was told by the staff that my friend "can't talk" and "knows about electronics" and was described as mostly vegetative, with no information about his former life. He was a local celebrity in my neighborhood because he walked around and was a known expert on many random things. Lots of people were friends with him and talked to him at length before his stroke, back when he was able to walk and live alone.

So as soon as the lady talked at him a few times, she found out these things, and it appears fell in love with him?? He's doing pretty well now. He still can't walk, but I thought he was mostly back to his old self again- thanks to this lady.

I'm not sure how much this applies to ya'll's conversation. He's 70, so no one is trying to abort him, and he's not in a coma or anything, so it's not like there's a plug to pull. But he was unresponsive because he was choosing not to respond. Once the right person came along, he chose to open up again.

BTW- I'm told my friend showed no interest in other human beings until he was in his 40s and barely spoke until then. He is an amazing unofficial sociologist. No official training, but knows more than the professors I have worked with.



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23 Nov 2016, 11:42 am

Very interesting guy....



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23 Nov 2016, 11:45 am

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I'm not sure how much this applies to ya'll's conversation. He's 70, so no one is trying to abort him, and he's not in a coma or anything, so it's not like there's a plug to pull.

Not at all, but it's a nice story.



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23 Nov 2016, 12:22 pm

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If you believe it appropriate to joke about male castration, it's also appropriate to joke about your framing of the joke as being informed by your womanhood. You might say it cuts both ways.


A vasectomy is not castration, and I wasn't joking.


Then think again. What you're proposing isn't going to happen.



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23 Nov 2016, 12:33 pm

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That should be our foreign policy for the Middle East. Don't worry about Israel. Yaweh will protect them.


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23 Nov 2016, 3:45 pm

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I think all men should be required to freeze their sperm and have a vasectomy on their 18th birthday. Then everyone can enjoy sex without risk of accidental pregnancies. As a woman, this seems a completely fair and satisfactory solution to me. :D

honestly, the compulsory aspect is a little complicated (because vasectomy is simple but not really trivial), but i don't mind the idea itself. it's not like just because something is mandatory that it magically turns into reality though, so it's not as simple as that, and that reality is simply impossible. but still, there could be incentives. it would be kinda like vaccination

in fact, what bothers me deeply is that when i went to see a doctor and i told him i wanted a vasectomy, he told me he wouldn't do it, because "i'm too young to make this decision". not "are you sure?", or "think about it and come see me again in a month". just "no" ("and probably no other doctor will do it either"). what the f**k?! :? am i a legal adult or am i not?


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23 Nov 2016, 11:00 pm

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in fact, what bothers me deeply is that when i went to see a doctor and i told him i wanted a vasectomy, he told me he wouldn't do it, because "i'm too young to make this decision". not "are you sure?", or "think about it and come see me again in a month". just "no" ("and probably no other doctor will do it either"). what the f**k?! am i a legal adult or am i not?


Yes, this is happens to both men and women and is wrong in both cases. I knew a woman who suffered terribly with endometriosis since puberty, but she was denied a hysterectomy until she was 35 because doctors kept insisting she might want children someday. She was in pain for two decades because other people thought her fertility should be their decision!



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23 Nov 2016, 11:02 pm

I think I've come to the conclusion that SJWS and anti-SJWS are two sides of the same coin

- They both complain when figures they like get attacked
- They both get offended by certain things
- They both whine constantly about each other
- They feel the need to identify with being with either movement
- Nothing productive happens between both sides

That's how I see it now. I'm in the middle of not caring about either side. I just do my own thing and keep to myself.



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23 Nov 2016, 11:03 pm

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Then think again. What you're proposing isn't going to happen.


Of course it isn't. Men would never stand for their reproductive rights to be taken away like that. ;)



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23 Nov 2016, 11:41 pm

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SJW is a strawman, used to dismiss possibly valid claims.
Exactly. If you want to look at the prevalence of certain attitudes just look at recent history. In the 1990s Republicans nominated a outspoken, Hitler apologist and segregationist, David Duke to be governor of Louisiana. How can people seriously say that racism is a dead issue when a large number of people are still willing to hand it support.

The same can be shown in Republican Primaries. Pat Buchanan for instance is a socially conservative, Holocaust denier. In the 1996 Republican Primaries he received over 20% of the vote. How can one say that the Alt-Right and other groups advocating racism don't exist to a large level when they have been influential in politics for decades.


Because it's an intentional and dishonest attempt at distraction. If you're too busy apologizing for or condemning strawman justice warriors you're not condemning social injustice and right-wing social injustice warriors. The white supremacist far-right is a myth, now start apologizing for your allies and their imagined crimes.
Okay which side do you more identify with?


Erm, the bleeding heart pinko side. Image


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24 Nov 2016, 1:29 pm

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Then think again. What you're proposing isn't going to happen.


Of course it isn't. Men would never stand for their reproductive rights to be taken away like that. ;)


Reproductive rights? This is about the state doing bodily harm. That's a big no-no in most of the civilised world.



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24 Nov 2016, 1:53 pm

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This is about the state doing bodily harm. That's a big no-no in most of the civilised world.

This is what I am saying about women. Arggggg. Forcing a woman to carry an unwanted fetus is the state doing her bodily harm.