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Careful.
You might be accused of "Sealion-ing".

hmmmm.... not sounding nice .

This is what I've gathered over the last few months:

Unbiased: It is a legal theory that holds our laws currently function to create and maintain social, economic, and political inequalities between whites and nonwhites, especially African Americans, whether that is intentional or not.

My understanding is that it has been discussed for decades in the legal community.

Personal observation: I personally have never seen CRT mentioned in schools, either during my education or that of my children, since our schools don't dig deep into legal frameworks. That kind of in-depth legal analysis won't happen except in higher education or law school. The closest schools come is suggesting there are structural differences in our society that create different outcomes based on race, but I never saw anything mentioned further than that, and my area is as liberal as any come. That any school would teach about structural differences at all seems to be what causes upset, and gets labeled as "critical race theory."

Opinion: Conservatives are pretending CRT is something it isn't because they need a divisive issue to pull their coalition together. They are connecting something observable by data (disparate differences in how different racial groups get treated) with a complex legal theory that tries to understand the reasons behind that outcome, but which is not actually broadly taught. CRT itself contains some controversial positions solely for the fact that it is a legal THEORY, and legal experts play around with possibilities that may or not prove to be true. None of that would ever be taught to children because it's simply far too complex.

Oh okay. Are there any examples in the US where there would be critical race theory going on, like in any legal scenarios?

Do you mean education discussion of the theory, or do you mean examples of the legal disparities?

Examples of the legal disparities.

That would take some digging; I am not involved with law at that level. I only know that I have seen some pretty cold, hard numbers and have read some well-researched stories that make it clear disparities in treatment and outcome most definitely do exist.

Oh okay, but would the well researched stories you read count as legal examples though?

(clicky)CRT in a big fat nutshell
Principles of the CRT Practice
While recognizing the evolving and malleable nature of CRT, scholar Khiara Bridges outlines a few key tenets of CRT, including:

*Recognition that race is not biologically real but is socially constructed and socially significant. It recognizes that science (as demonstrated in the Human Genome Project) refutes the idea of biological racial differences. According to scholars Richard Delgado and Jean Stefancic, race is the product of social thought and is not connected to biological reality.
*Acknowledgement that racism is a normal feature of society and is embedded within systems and institutions, like the legal system, that replicate racial inequality. This dismisses the idea that racist incidents are aberrations but instead are manifestations of structural and systemic racism.
*Rejection of popular understandings about racism, such as arguments that confine racism to a few “bad apples.” CRT recognizes that racism is codified in law, embedded in structures, and woven into public policy. CRT rejects claims of meritocracy or “colorblindness.” CRT recognizes that it is the systemic nature of racism that bears primary responsibility for reproducing racial inequality.
*Recognition of the relevance of people’s everyday lives to scholarship. This includes embracing the lived experiences of people of color, including those preserved through storytelling, and rejecting deficit-informed research that excludes the epistemologies of people of color.

The limitations of legal interventions have led to current manifestations of racial inequality in education, including:

*The predominance of curriculum that excludes the history and lived experiences of Americans of color and imposes a dominant white narrative of history;
*Deficit-oriented instruction that characterizes students of color as in need of remediation;
*Narrow assessments, the results of which are used to confirm narratives about the ineducability of children of color;
*School discipline policies that disproportionately impact students of color and compromise their educational outcomes (such as dress code policies prohibiting natural Black hairstyles);
*School funding inequities, including the persistent underfunding of property-poor districts, many of which are composed primarily of children of color; and
*The persistence of racially segregated education.

But if that's all they teach without any specific examples, isn't it all just noise then, and all bark with no bite?

the examples are omnipresent, you just have to look around you. i have witnessed it personally.

Run this google search and you should find a flood of reports:
"examples of disparate legal treatment in the US based on race"

here is a off topic curiousity , wonder how this all applys to more recent Chinese immigrants to the
USA ?

it made the news recently that there have been attacks on people perceived to be asian (they didn't even have to be strictly chinese to the "they all look alike to me!" crowd of idiots).

I don't think I want my nephews to learn that it puts a target on the back of them. I'm all for learning history. But that's wrong. Nobody alive is responsible for slavery! There was a debate in my state NJ for the governor's race, and jack said CRT makes whites the oppressor and black and brown kids oppressed. It is poor policy, and my nephews agreed it puts a target on them. And when I was a kid, I'd race home to watch fox kids power rangers. And Tommy gave up his powers midseason to TJ. I still watched it, An African American man replaced a white man as the leader of the power rangers, and he did a good job. Every color of the rainbow has been in that franchise. I don't see how they're oppressed, not because I'm white but because anyone, regardless of background, has made it here made extraordinary lives for themselves and their families! We are a great nation!

I've seen black people speak against this dumb policy. Are you saying they're racist against themselves?

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