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09 Aug 2007, 4:58 pm

Ragtime wrote:

Could one possibly use looser logic? It's just all kinds of apples-to-oranges precedents...

What?
It's still fruit.
I was replying to the point that gay people can't get married because they supposedly can't have kids. Neither can old people or infertile people, yet they can get married. What's wrong with my logic there?

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09 Aug 2007, 4:59 pm

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why is that so hard to conceive

(No pun intended.)

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09 Aug 2007, 5:00 pm

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Could one possibly use looser logic? It's just all kinds of apples-to-oranges precedents...

Because that's not WHY gay people can't get married. It may be a part of the reason, but not nearly all of it.

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09 Aug 2007, 5:01 pm

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Sopho wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Could one possibly use looser logic? It's just all kinds of apples-to-oranges precedents...

Because that's not WHY gay people can't get married. It may be a part of the reason, but not nearly all of it.

Yes and I wasn't the one who said that it was. I was replying to that point. Jesus...

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09 Aug 2007, 5:03 pm

Because homosexuality is a minority, it is not necessarily the norm, and historically cultures have frowned upon it because they felt it was not natural. That is why homosexuality is against the Bible - because THE MEN THAT WROTE THEM lived in a culture that frowned upon it. They put words into God's mouth.

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09 Aug 2007, 5:04 pm

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Yeah, and people still believe this s**t in 2007... I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

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09 Aug 2007, 5:06 pm

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1. Exactly, you are arguing passonately about what is a moot point for both of us.
2. Yeah, while said kid is bullied into the nearest psych ward. You think aspies have it hard, just imagine what it would do to one of these adopted kids. As for the other two suggestions of yours, they both f**k up the kids lives quite a lot.
3. Allowing gay marriage would be promoting homosexuality, which obviously increases the amount of gay people (think about all the bisexuals) in homosexual relationships. This reduces the birth rate, which damages our economy and so on. 10% of the country electing automatically not reproduce is pretty disasterous.
On to your next post:
4. Adam is already inferile then, and yes it would not matter asides from the fact that Steve maybe fertile. Think about it.
5. Stop complaining so much and then i will be less patronising.

I'm not complaining; I'm responding to people's posts and making the point that it is discrimination.
As for the 'promoting homosexuality' - that's complete BS. You can't promote something people don't choose. I doubt a lot of bisexual people would suddenly quite being in straight relationships and go and find someone of the same sex just because they can now marry them. The reason most bi people are in straight relationships is because there is more chance of them finding someone of a different sex to be with. We don't really need a high birth rate right now tbh.
And I'm not arguing about a moot point. Just because it doesn't directly affect me, I should just sit back and think it's perfectly OK? It affects people. I don't care that it no longer affects me. If I see something going on in the world and I think it's wrong, I'll argue about it with anyone who disagrees.

You cant argue with half my points then, i suggest you read and either contest them or admit I am right. If you make homosexuality socially acceptable, then incidences of it will obviously rise, as bisexuals are more likely to go into a homosexual relationship as opposed to a hetrosexual one. Which leads to the said effects that I am talking about. These countries you cite have democratically decided their stances on homosexuality, and I think you should respect it. There are a lot bigger problems in the world, like people not being fed for instance. People can be gay if they choose their country sensibly, so there is no issue, most of the US can move to canada if it bothers them. And as for birth rate, unless you want our country to become more of an racial melting pot than it already is, i suggest you encourage the people here to f**k more here, immigration is what is currently making up our short fall. If we dont have enough kids, who will pay our state pensions, and so on?

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09 Aug 2007, 5:06 pm

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im glad to know people who have such views on gays dont even bother to ask why

Of course I asked why. I'm still curious, as a matter of fact, why penises can't just screw vaginas and be done with the whole debate. :roll:

I mean, does a gay man really find women disgusting? Does it mean NOTHING to him that his penis fits perfectly and pleasurably into a woman's vagina? Seriously -- men can feel attracted to other men, but penises still have the same pleasure nerves. Therefore, how could a vagina "feel bad" to a gay man's penis? It's impossible. Therefore, it has more to do with the emotional relations of that person -- but why would the gender alone of a person you like determine your purely-emotional love for them? So, I've proved the sexual issue isn't a problem, and I've proved the emotional issue isn't a problem. So what's the problem?

Because they're not attracted to them.

Specify how. Come on, I'm going to make you guys get specific. Emotionally attracted? Sexually attracted? Visually/Aestheitically? What?

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You have a prostate don't you?

Ummmmm, let me check.

Yes.

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I'm sure you could find it pleasurable to get f**** up your ass by a man.

Doubtful. The prostate is not designed for hard-pressure pleasure. Crap naturally stimulates it well, because it's soft. But when crap is very solid, it really hurts.

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But you're straight, so you wouldn't do it.

I wouldn't do it anyway, because it would be physically painful.

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I could have asex with a man, but I wouldn't want to.

Say why specifically.

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I don't find men repulsive at all, but the thought of having sex with one repulses me, just like the thought of having sex with a fat ugly woman repulses me. It's the same for everyone else.

If there's one thing this thread disproves, it's your final sentence.
And WHY does it repulse you? You haven't even tried it.

1) rag........ you of all people can't effectively demand specificity.... you cant even explain in a non sexual nature why the feminine form is SO "artisitic"

2) i am SOMEHOW willing to believe you have a prostrate.... dont believe you have balls yet....

3) if sh*****g hurts whether or not you are having anal sex.... plz see a doctor... on another note... maybe you did take your experimentation a bit further than i supposed and are just experiencing the aftermath of those tender first attempts... let me assure you the pain is only temporary... EXPERIMENT MORE

4) oh i was wrong..... you just said you'd never have anal sex.... so you really dont have any concrete evidence for your homosexuality experiment

5) why dont you specifiy why homo. attraction feels so forced for you?????????? since you seem to NOW (after 30+ pages of babble) seem to support that it is a transient attraction and just kinda comes and goes depending on how much thought you give it

6) i agree.... not everyone is repulsed by plumpness... but that's not what she was getting at.... she was getting at the fact that there ARE stipulations for attraction

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09 Aug 2007, 5:09 pm

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You ASSUME there's no logical reason. But you're not the Lord of Logic (hate to break it to you). There are some things you and I just don't know, which are true nonetheless. Just because you can't understand something doesn't mean it's illogical.

I get the feeling we're talking from completely different mindsets. For me, it is simple. If the God you worship creates people so that they have the urge to do things which harm no other, and then punishes them for doing those things, then he is a sadist putting people through needless torment in this life or the next. I could not worship such an entity even with cast iron proof that he exists and set things that way. My own conscience and sense of right and wrong would not allow it.

That's my point too

First,
The only reason a lot of christians are against gays and are homophobics, I always thougth they are indirectly homophobics, although some might be directly homophobics, the reason is because it's in the Bible, something that Ragtime doesn't and won't understand ever, is that the Bible says that because: 1. It's religious (setting moral standards for people at the time to follow, not scientific facts) 2. It was written thousands of years ago, duh! it's obvious the views were different then than we have today due to ignorance, I don't understand how some people don't see that. Talking about logic. :roll:

Second,
Having homosexual relationships and activity between two consenting adults, is not harmful, a gay person who lives his sexuality with a partner is not harming and damaging anyone, there is no real reason to think it is wrong, things are wrong ONLY if people are getting hurt and damaged.

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09 Aug 2007, 5:11 pm

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You cant argue with half my points then, i suggest you read and either contest them or admit I am right

You're not right. You're coming up with the same old s**t I've heard and replied to on here too many times already. What specifically do you want me to reply to? If you were expecting me to go thought each o the numbers individually then I won't. I'm too tired.

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you make homosexuality socially acceptable, then incidences of it will obviously rise, as bisexuals are more likely to go into a homosexual relationship as opposed to a hetrosexual one. Which leads to the said effects that I am talking about. These countries you cite have democratically decided their stances on homosexuality, and I think you should respect it. There are a lot bigger problems in the world, like people not being fed for instance. People can be gay if they choose their country sensibly, so there is no issue, most of the US can move to canada if it bothers them. And as for birth rate, unless you want our country to become more of an racial melting pot than it already is, i suggest you encourage the people here to f**k more here, immigration is what is currently making up our short fall. If we dont have enough kids, who will pay our state pensions, and so on?

I don't know which country you mean by 'this country' but, assuming you mean the US, are you then suggesting that keeping the birth rate of white Americans up is more important than equal rights?
And it's not exactly as simple as moving to Canada if you want to get married. Most people can't afford to just get up and move to a different country, and they have family, work etc to think about to. Just let them get married ffs.

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09 Aug 2007, 5:11 pm

Sopho wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Sedaka wrote:

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im glad to know people who have such views on gays dont even bother to ask why

Of course I asked why. I'm still curious, as a matter of fact, why penises can't just screw vaginas and be done with the whole debate. :roll:

if you had proved anything... yo'd be a very rich man

it's not the nerves in the penis or clit that matter... it's the brain. and im sorry... i dont buy your little experiment

along these lines... you cold conclude that a woman would draw pleasure from being raped. do you concur?

if you did ask... then answer the why.... beyond god "saying so"

That's a very inadequate reply.

In your opinion.
And none of your replies are ever inadequate?

i addressed the main line of his logic... that it's the nerves in the organs themselves that should prove homo. is moot :roll:

i even gave a reason: mental stuff

he ignored my QUESTION THAT WOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF RELEVANT INFERENCE

am i surprised? not in the least.... that was a hard question... his head must hurt

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09 Aug 2007, 5:15 pm

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Bingo!

Anyone saying otherwise hates gays. That's how blunt I am on this issue.

If you believe two consenting adults in a loving relationship who happen to be of the same gender are harming anyone, you hate gay people. You are hateful. You are no better than a racist, or a sexist.

The American Family Association is made up of a bunch of liars - they are not espousing family values, they are only campaigning for hatred ... HATE IS NOT A FAMILY VALUE.

Anyone with any shred of decency will stay away from the extremist hate groups, and especially keep their bitter hate out of our schools and away from children. The last thing we want is another generation of virulent anti-gay nazis. Unfortunately, there will be, but they will be driven underground, and they might have to ally with Aryan Nations or the KKK if they want to act on their viewpoints. Gay bashing will continue, unless people put their foot down and squash the vile insect.

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09 Aug 2007, 5:17 pm

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You cant argue with half my points then, i suggest you read and either contest them or admit I am right

You're not right. You're coming up with the same old sh** I've heard and replied to on here too many times already. What specifically do you want me to reply to? If you were expecting me to go thought each o the numbers individually then I won't. I'm too tired.

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I wouldnt say it was the same old s**t, as you call it, go back and read all my arguements. As for being tired, we both live in the UK, if i can write it, you certainly can read it.
The US has made its decision for pragmatic reasons, i think if gay marriages and weddings were allowed they could quie easily end up with a massacre, and any way the democratically elected government has spoken. As for equal rights, you have them over here, in fact I would say the legislation here probably goes way too far, by deincentivising marriage. It is not as simple as letting people get married, there are very good reasons why it is not allowed. Stop being so idealistic.

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09 Aug 2007, 5:17 pm

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and so what is the issue if she is inadvertantly promoting homosexuality? (do all AS people who talk about AS ect wish it upon every other person????? is that what you mean by "promote"?)

it's interesting that you would use the phrase in such a manner.... so what....that's the point of this thread? why is it so bad? it's possiblity we all face (as that egg and sperm fuse together)

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09 Aug 2007, 5:21 pm

Hadron wrote:

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You cant argue with half my points then, i suggest you read and either contest them or admit I am right

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I wouldnt say it was the same old sh**, as you call it, go back and read all my arguements. As for being tired, we both live in the UK, if i can write it, you certainly can read it.
The US has made its decision for pragmatic reasons, i think if gay marriages and weddings were allowed they could quie easily end up with a massacre, and any way the democratically elected government has spoken. As for equal rights, you have them over here, in fact I would say the legislation here probably goes way too far, by deincentivising marriage. It is not as simple as letting people get married, there are very good reasons why it is not allowed. Stop being so idealistic.

Both living in the UK means nothing. I don't necessarily have the same sleeping patterns that you have, and it's because of other reasons that I'm tired. Besides, I did read it, I'm just too tired to be pissing around writing out a reply with numbers etc. There are not very good reasons why it isn't allowed. And I know it's allowed over here. I've said it about ten times already. Yes, you are coming up with the same old s**t I've read time and time again on here. Trust me, I've come across your type several times already.

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09 Aug 2007, 5:22 pm

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Encoraging people to be homosexual has economic and social implications on the society in which that happens. That is my issue with it, i have no religious prejudices or anything like that. The implications affect the vast majority of people who are not gay, and I believe their rights are a big part of the equation.

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