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26 Feb 2015, 2:30 pm

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If people would stop berating each other and questioning each other's ethics, intelligence, honesty, etc. all the time, I believe PPR would be able to welcome more comers. This could be a really educational Subforum.


And I was just about to say how you can learn so much about a persons character, persona here. Lol



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26 Feb 2015, 2:45 pm

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C'mon, David,

I'm just kidding with you.

You might be kidding when you tell us how much of an ignoramus we all are. I don't believe you believe this. I just think you insult us for rhetorical effect, to advance your argument somehow.

I wish you would come out and be a human being, talk to us like people, rather than berate us.

If people would stop berating each other and questioning each other's ethics, intelligence, honesty, etc. all the time, I believe PPR would be able to welcome more comers. This could be a really educational Subforum.


And a place for creativity too.. per that so-called the 'insanity card'.. whenever forms.. out of the box... do form.. and come in words.. videos.. photos.. and other symbolic expression.. and the full potpourri that modern human CAN AND DOES bring to the table of life.. WHEN FREE.. WITH expression.. particularly.. IN CREATION ACTIVITY..

Life with no 'freespice'.. is rather bland.. at least to me..:)


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26 Feb 2015, 2:54 pm

aghogday wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
C'mon, David,

I'm just kidding with you.

You might be kidding when you tell us how much of an ignoramus we all are. I don't believe you believe this. I just think you insult us for rhetorical effect, to advance your argument somehow.

I wish you would come out and be a human being, talk to us like people, rather than berate us.

If people would stop berating each other and questioning each other's ethics, intelligence, honesty, etc. all the time, I believe PPR would be able to welcome more comers. This could be a really educational Subforum.


And a place for creativity too.. per that so-called the 'insanity card'.. whenever forms.. out of the box... do form.. and come in words.. videos.. photos.. and other symbolic expression.. and the full potpourri that modern human CAN AND DOES bring to the table of life.. WHEN FREE.. WITH expression.. particularly.. IN CREATION ACTIVITY..

Life with no 'freespice'.. is rather bland.. at least to me..:)


If creation is insanity then call me insane :D



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26 Feb 2015, 3:32 pm

It is right though art is insanity because it causes you to look inside of yourself and it delves Into your thoughts, what you are inspired by. No two artist can ever be the same.



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26 Feb 2015, 3:36 pm

Atheist logic:

Designed:

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Not designed:

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26 Feb 2015, 5:05 pm

Sophi are you being serious or are you joking with us? If you are being serious do you think god created the evolutionary process and used it to evolve life on earth? or do you disregard all the evidence for evolution and remain fixed on the story of creation as per Genesis?


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26 Feb 2015, 5:23 pm

Grommit wrote:
It is right though art is insanity because it causes you to look inside of yourself and it delves Into your thoughts, what you are inspired by. No two artist can ever be the same.


Honestly.. some folks think anything they haven't seen before is insanity.

And i for one am never born that way... but taken to the REAL Insanity

of attempting to control and stay same PER culture and religion

AND even science as same... but truly insane ..

IN MY BOOK.. AT LEAST..:)

THANK GOD..;)

LIFE IS SIMPLY A THRILL the OTHER way..:)

AND TOTALLY TRULY SANE..:)

CRAZY IS SANE.. haha!.. isn't that IRONIC...



One of the most hilarious things about that video is in the first comment

where some Interwebz literalist starts to argue that the stuff in the

video ain't ironic...

Polishing life..

is waste.. like polishing a car..

I used to spend hours on end polishing my Camaro..

Now I take my NEW Honda through the car wash once a year.. and don't paint the scratches...

I take my greatest pleasure

NOW

INTHE IMPERFECTION AND THE NON-REPEATABLE EXPERIMENT THAT IS THE HUMAN HEART.. SOUL.. AND SPIRIT..

MANIFEST
IN
the practice of
CREATION ACTIVITY...

THE OTHER WAY.. TRULY.. ALMOST KILLED ME..

NOW i just float through life LIKE A BUTTERFLY and CAN sting like a bee.. if need BEE..;)

IT'S JUST THE BUTTERFLIES AND BEES FREE..

THAT'S STILL ALL..

IT
IS...:)

WITH OF COURSE THE DRAGON FLY AND THE ROACH AS THE TRUE SURVIVORS OF LIFE....

TO learn from Nature AND PRACTICE LIFE ALWAYS is to be FREE.. SURVIVE.. AND MOST IMPORTANTly TRULY LIVE... ALIVE... FULLy LIVE..LIVED..:)

THE reverse of that.. per liveVIL.. is JUST THAT OR.. deviLived..;)

Yes.. that's truly iconic...;)


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26 Feb 2015, 5:46 pm

What is sane or insane? Surely there can only be different levels of consciousness



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26 Feb 2015, 5:55 pm

aghogday wrote:
Grommit wrote:
It is right though art is insanity because it causes you to look inside of yourself and it delves Into your thoughts, what you are inspired by. No two artist can ever be the same.


Honestly.. some folks think anything they haven't seen before is insanity.

And i for one am never born that way... but taken to the REAL Insanity

of attempting to control and stay same PER culture and religion

AND even science as same... but truly insane ..

IN MY BOOK.. AT LEAST..:)

THANK GOD..;)

LIFE IS SIMPLY A THRILL the OTHER way..:)

AND TOTALLY TRULY SANE..:)

CRAZY IS SANE.. haha!.. isn't that IRONIC...



One of the most hilarious things about that video is in the first comment

where some Interwebz literalist starts to argue that the stuff in the

video ain't ironic...

Polishing life..

is waste.. like polishing a car..

I used to spend hours on end polishing my Camaro..

Now I take my NEW Honda through the car wash once a year.. and don't paint the scratches...

I take my greatest pleasure

NOW

INTHE IMPERFECTION AND THE NON-REPEATABLE EXPERIMENT THAT IS THE HUMAN HEART.. SOUL.. AND SPIRIT..

MANIFEST
IN
the practice of
CREATION ACTIVITY...

THE OTHER WAY.. TRULY.. ALMOST KILLED ME..

NOW i just float through life LIKE A BUTTERFLY and CAN sting like a bee.. if need BEE..;)

IT'S JUST THE BUTTERFLIES AND BEES FREE..

THAT'S STILL ALL..

IT
IS...:)

WITH OF COURSE THE DRAGON FLY AND THE ROACH AS THE TRUE SURVIVORS OF LIFE....

TO learn from Nature AND PRACTICE LIFE ALWAYS is to be FREE.. SURVIVE.. AND MOST IMPORTANTly TRULY LIVE... ALIVE... FULLy LIVE..LIVED..:)

THE reverse of that.. per liveVIL.. is JUST THAT OR.. deviLived..;)

Yes.. that's truly iconic...;)


And yes you are right,

I will rephrase that, art is as much sanity as much as it is insanity

It is a dilemma lol



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26 Feb 2015, 6:19 pm

Grommit wrote:
aghogday wrote:
Grommit wrote:
It is right though art is insanity because it causes you to look inside of yourself and it delves Into your thoughts, what you are inspired by. No two artist can ever be the same.


Honestly.. some folks think anything they haven't seen before is insanity.

And i for one am never born that way... but taken to the REAL Insanity

of attempting to control and stay same PER culture and religion

AND even science as same... but truly insane ..

IN MY BOOK.. AT LEAST..:)

THANK GOD..;)

LIFE IS SIMPLY A THRILL the OTHER way..:)

AND TOTALLY TRULY SANE..:)

CRAZY IS SANE.. haha!.. isn't that IRONIC...



One of the most hilarious things about that video is in the first comment

where some Interwebz literalist starts to argue that the stuff in the

video ain't ironic...

Polishing life..

is waste.. like polishing a car..

I used to spend hours on end polishing my Camaro..

Now I take my NEW Honda through the car wash once a year.. and don't paint the scratches...

I take my greatest pleasure

NOW

INTHE IMPERFECTION AND THE NON-REPEATABLE EXPERIMENT THAT IS THE HUMAN HEART.. SOUL.. AND SPIRIT..

MANIFEST
IN
the practice of
CREATION ACTIVITY...

THE OTHER WAY.. TRULY.. ALMOST KILLED ME..

NOW i just float through life LIKE A BUTTERFLY and CAN sting like a bee.. if need BEE..;)

IT'S JUST THE BUTTERFLIES AND BEES FREE..

THAT'S STILL ALL..

IT
IS...:)

WITH OF COURSE THE DRAGON FLY AND THE ROACH AS THE TRUE SURVIVORS OF LIFE....

TO learn from Nature AND PRACTICE LIFE ALWAYS is to be FREE.. SURVIVE.. AND MOST IMPORTANTly TRULY LIVE... ALIVE... FULLy LIVE..LIVED..:)

THE reverse of that.. per liveVIL.. is JUST THAT OR.. deviLived..;)

Yes.. that's truly iconic...;)


And yes you are right,

I will rephrase that, art is as much sanity as much as it is insanity

It is a dilemma lol


I can make things so complicated here... AND i know i do.. and that is.. what can expand minds.. not averse to change...

But truly off this computer.. I just dance and sing a song of life... with other flesh and blood human beings.. whether they want to join in or not... as a 'piper' of sorts...

Same stuff humans have always done.. but forget.. particularly after childhood.. puberty.. college.. and particularly marriage.. Haha! when comfort zones CAN come TO rule.... one's life in prison.. comfortably numb...eventually....

DEAD IN HEART.. SOUL.. AND SPIRIT...

Sometimes a most beautiful girl can block the STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN...

AND TRULY

THAT'S

IRONIC MY FRIEND..

AND ALMOST TRUE IN MY LIFE..

WHERE THE GREATEST GIFT AND LOVE

CAN BE THE GREATEST CHALLENGE

IN TRULY LOSING HEART.. SOUL..

AND SPIRIT...

THERE ARE NO EASY ANSWERS BUT TO LOOK WITHIN..

AND FEEL LIFE THE WAY IT WORKS

FOR one's self as you

SO ELOQUENTLY

TRUTH BEFORE..;)

:)

So I'll leave with this for now..

as I continue to stair A way to heaven..NOW..

where up is down..

and down is up..

so above..

so
be

low..:)

It it is what it is..
and i'll just be what
i
am..:)

if it's to be
it's up to me..

TO again..

'JUST DO IT'..;)


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26 Feb 2015, 8:24 pm

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Sophi are you being serious or are you joking with us? If you are being serious do you think god created the evolutionary process and used it to evolve life on earth? or do you disregard all the evidence for evolution and remain fixed on the story of creation as per Genesis?
"All the evidence for evolution" is merely repeated assertions that there is some. All the actual evidence says that it is philosophically, physically, chemically, biologically, mathematically impossible. Evolution is a fanciful ideology with no real connection to the real science of observation and experiment.



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26 Feb 2015, 8:41 pm

I know it's a waste of time, but just in case there is a lurker with functional integrity and mind:

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THE FAILURE OF DARWINISM AND ITS FULLER IMPLICATIONS

Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis
(Adler and Adler: Bethesda, Maryland, 3rd ed. 1986) 368 pages, hardback $19.95.

reviewed by John F. McCarthy
The central thesis of this book is that Darwin's theory of evolution has not been validated by one single empirical discovery or scientific advance since its publication in 1859. Denton succeeds in refuting Darwinian evolution in terms of the empirical facts as they are known to natural scientists today, yet, for emotional reasons, he cannot entirely give up the theory. Because of the irrational element of this attachment, some of the historical judgments that he expresses are unsubstantiated and contradictory.


THE FAILURE OF DARWINISM


Charles Darwin published The Origin of Species in 1859, expressing therein a view which implied that "all the diversity of life on the Earth arose from natural and random processes and not, as was previously believed, from the creative activity of God" (Denton, 17). "Before Darwin, men had believed a providential intelligence had imposed its mysterious design upon nature, but now chance ruled supreme" (15). The mechanism of evolution depended on the ultimate premise that all organisms are subject to an intense struggle for existence which favors by natural selection the preservation of beneficial variations (Denton, 42). "Thus not only was God banished from the creation of species but from the entire realm of biology" (53).

According to Denton, Darwin was aware that the evolutionary edifice he had constructed was "entirely theoretical" (55). Darwin had "absolutely no direct empirical evidence" in terms of clear-cut intermediates that large-scale evolution had ever occurred (56); he was not able "to point to the bona fide case" where natural selection had actually generated an evolutionary change of any kind, let alone a new species (62).

For Denton "there can be no question that Darwin had nothing like sufficient evidence to establish his theory of evolution," (69) and yet Darwin's theory was elevated into an "unchallenged dogma" in little more than twenty years. Denton sees this to have been the result of "non-scientific factors of a social, psychological and philosophical nature" (70). The big appeal for many scientists was its "general harmony with scientific thought," and it was to be used by them to "wrest from theology the entire domain of cosmological theory" (72, quoting J. Tyndall). In fact, Denton observes, "today all biological phenomena are interpreted in Darwinian terms and every professional biologist is subject throughout his working day to continued affirmation of the truth of Darwinian theory," (74) even though "neither of the two fundamental axioms of Darwin's macroevolutionary theory ... have been validated by one single empirical discovery or scientific advance since 1859" (345) These two axioms never verified by science were (a) a functional continuum linking all species of life together, leading back to a primeval cell and (b) all the design of living things the result of a blind random process.
The whole review can be read here:
http://www.rtforum.org/lt/lt26.html



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26 Feb 2015, 8:52 pm

Oldavid wrote:
I know it's a waste of time, but just in case there is a lurker with functional integrity and mind:
Quote:
THE FAILURE OF DARWINISM AND ITS FULLER IMPLICATIONS

Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis
(Adler and Adler: Bethesda, Maryland, 3rd ed. 1986) 368 pages, hardback $19.95.

reviewed by John F. McCarthy
The central thesis of this book is that Darwin's theory of evolution has not been validated by one single empirical discovery or scientific advance since its publication in 1859. Denton succeeds in refuting Darwinian evolution in terms of the empirical facts as they are known to natural scientists today, yet, for emotional reasons, he cannot entirely give up the theory. Because of the irrational element of this attachment, some of the historical judgments that he expresses are unsubstantiated and contradictory.


THE FAILURE OF DARWINISM


Charles Darwin published The Origin of Species in 1859, expressing therein a view which implied that "all the diversity of life on the Earth arose from natural and random processes and not, as was previously believed, from the creative activity of God" (Denton, 17). "Before Darwin, men had believed a providential intelligence had imposed its mysterious design upon nature, but now chance ruled supreme" (15). The mechanism of evolution depended on the ultimate premise that all organisms are subject to an intense struggle for existence which favors by natural selection the preservation of beneficial variations (Denton, 42). "Thus not only was God banished from the creation of species but from the entire realm of biology" (53).

According to Denton, Darwin was aware that the evolutionary edifice he had constructed was "entirely theoretical" (55). Darwin had "absolutely no direct empirical evidence" in terms of clear-cut intermediates that large-scale evolution had ever occurred (56); he was not able "to point to the bona fide case" where natural selection had actually generated an evolutionary change of any kind, let alone a new species (62).

For Denton "there can be no question that Darwin had nothing like sufficient evidence to establish his theory of evolution," (69) and yet Darwin's theory was elevated into an "unchallenged dogma" in little more than twenty years. Denton sees this to have been the result of "non-scientific factors of a social, psychological and philosophical nature" (70). The big appeal for many scientists was its "general harmony with scientific thought," and it was to be used by them to "wrest from theology the entire domain of cosmological theory" (72, quoting J. Tyndall). In fact, Denton observes, "today all biological phenomena are interpreted in Darwinian terms and every professional biologist is subject throughout his working day to continued affirmation of the truth of Darwinian theory," (74) even though "neither of the two fundamental axioms of Darwin's macroevolutionary theory ... have been validated by one single empirical discovery or scientific advance since 1859" (345) These two axioms never verified by science were (a) a functional continuum linking all species of life together, leading back to a primeval cell and (b) all the design of living things the result of a blind random process.
The whole review can be read here:
http://www.rtforum.org/lt/lt26.html


So if you don't believe in gods creation or Darwin what do you believe?

Surly Darwin's theory is more acceptable at least ?



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26 Feb 2015, 9:39 pm

Oldavid wrote:
I know it's a waste of time, but just in case there is a lurker with functional integrity and mind:
Quote:
THE FAILURE OF DARWINISM AND ITS FULLER IMPLICATIONS

Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis
(Adler and Adler: Bethesda, Maryland, 3rd ed. 1986) 368 pages, hardback $19.95.

reviewed by John F. McCarthy
The central thesis of this book is that Darwin's theory of evolution has not been validated by one single empirical discovery or scientific advance since its publication in 1859. Denton succeeds in refuting Darwinian evolution in terms of the empirical facts as they are known to natural scientists today, yet, for emotional reasons, he cannot entirely give up the theory. Because of the irrational element of this attachment, some of the historical judgments that he expresses are unsubstantiated and contradictory.


THE FAILURE OF DARWINISM


Charles Darwin published The Origin of Species in 1859, expressing therein a view which implied that "all the diversity of life on the Earth arose from natural and random processes and not, as was previously believed, from the creative activity of God" (Denton, 17). "Before Darwin, men had believed a providential intelligence had imposed its mysterious design upon nature, but now chance ruled supreme" (15). The mechanism of evolution depended on the ultimate premise that all organisms are subject to an intense struggle for existence which favors by natural selection the preservation of beneficial variations (Denton, 42). "Thus not only was God banished from the creation of species but from the entire realm of biology" (53).

According to Denton, Darwin was aware that the evolutionary edifice he had constructed was "entirely theoretical" (55). Darwin had "absolutely no direct empirical evidence" in terms of clear-cut intermediates that large-scale evolution had ever occurred (56); he was not able "to point to the bona fide case" where natural selection had actually generated an evolutionary change of any kind, let alone a new species (62).

For Denton "there can be no question that Darwin had nothing like sufficient evidence to establish his theory of evolution," (69) and yet Darwin's theory was elevated into an "unchallenged dogma" in little more than twenty years. Denton sees this to have been the result of "non-scientific factors of a social, psychological and philosophical nature" (70). The big appeal for many scientists was its "general harmony with scientific thought," and it was to be used by them to "wrest from theology the entire domain of cosmological theory" (72, quoting J. Tyndall). In fact, Denton observes, "today all biological phenomena are interpreted in Darwinian terms and every professional biologist is subject throughout his working day to continued affirmation of the truth of Darwinian theory," (74) even though "neither of the two fundamental axioms of Darwin's macroevolutionary theory ... have been validated by one single empirical discovery or scientific advance since 1859" (345) These two axioms never verified by science were (a) a functional continuum linking all species of life together, leading back to a primeval cell and (b) all the design of living things the result of a blind random process.
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Reported for being idiotic.



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27 Feb 2015, 3:41 am

Grommit wrote:
So if you don't believe in gods creation or Darwin what do you believe?

Surly Darwin's theory is more acceptable at least ?
So far we haven't been able to get around to any evidence or motives for belief in anything... the hecklers have seen to that.

Why would a demonstrably impossible ideological hoax be more acceptable than anything else?



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27 Feb 2015, 4:18 am

DentArthurDent wrote:
Sophi are you being serious or are you joking with us? If you are being serious do you think god created the evolutionary process and used it to evolve life on earth? or do you disregard all the evidence for evolution and remain fixed on the story of creation as per Genesis?


"How" is irrelevant to me.