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Are people still against abortion? 
27 Nov 2016, 6:08 am
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Are people still against abortion?
Name a country in which abortion is completely acceptable, without restriction, up to the moment of birth. Your question is asinine.
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27 Nov 2016, 6:17 am
adifferentname wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Are people still against abortion?
Name a country in which abortion is completely acceptable, without restriction, up to the moment of birth. Your question is asinine.
Now now, it's not nice to call people's questions asinine. But because I am so forgiving and benevolent, I'll answer your question anyway
There are several countries that practice third trimester abortions, including China. However, performing an abortion just before the moment of birth seems to be quite impractical. I would suggest that one should get it done well before that moment.
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27 Nov 2016, 11:44 am
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Are people still against abortion?
Yes
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27 Nov 2016, 11:47 am
CockneyRebel wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Are people still against abortion?
Yes
It should read "against women's bodily autonomy."
27 Nov 2016, 12:53 pm
27 Nov 2016, 2:44 pm
RetroGamer87 wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Are people still against abortion?
Name a country in which abortion is completely acceptable, without restriction, up to the moment of birth. Your question is asinine.
Now now, it's not nice to call people's questions asinine. But because I am so forgiving and benevolent, I'll answer your question anyway
There are several countries that practice third trimester abortions, including China. However, performing an abortion just before the moment of birth seems to be quite impractical. I would suggest that one should get it done well before that moment.
If you don't understand why late-term abortions are sometimes preferrable when there are health issues with the fetus, please read this interview with a woman who had an abortion at 32 weeks gestation. It will explain why having late-term abortion be available for women and their families is actually merciful when the baby is only going to suffer and die outside the womb, and the choice should be left up to the family and their doctor:
http://jezebel.com/interview-with-a-wom ... 1781972395
And no, it isn't a horrific story of dismemberment--they don't do them like that. They give an injection that stops the baby's heart in utero and then deliver his dead body like they would a still-birth. It is not violent or horrific like forced-birthers want people to think--that is propaganda and misinformation intentionally designed to turn people against a merciful measure like putting your very sick and suffering pet to sleep. When you don't want your pet to suffer you are allowed to be merciful to them and end their suffering with an injection that stops their heart--why can't we offer the same mercy to unborn children who will only know a short life full of suffering and pain? Late term abortion is more like euthanasia than the anti-choice people want you to know because then you might actually have compassion for women who have to make these kinds of choices.
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27 Nov 2016, 3:05 pm
wilburforce wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Are people still against abortion?
Name a country in which abortion is completely acceptable, without restriction, up to the moment of birth. Your question is asinine.
Now now, it's not nice to call people's questions asinine. But because I am so forgiving and benevolent, I'll answer your question anyway
There are several countries that practice third trimester abortions, including China. However, performing an abortion just before the moment of birth seems to be quite impractical. I would suggest that one should get it done well before that moment.
If you don't understand why late-term abortions are sometimes preferrable when there are health issues with the fetus, please read this interview with a woman who had an abortion at 32 weeks gestation. It will explain why having late-term abortion be available for women and their families is actually merciful when the baby is only going to suffer and die outside the womb, and the choice should be left up to the family and their doctor:
http://jezebel.com/interview-with-a-wom ... 1781972395
And no, it isn't a horrific story of dismemberment--they don't do them like that. They give an injection that stops the baby's heart in utero and then deliver his dead body like they would a still-birth. It is not violent or horrific like forced-birthers want people to think--that is propaganda and misinformation intentionally designed to turn people against a merciful measure like putting your very sick and suffering pet to sleep. When you don't want your pet to suffer you are allowed to be merciful to them and end their suffering with an injection that stops their heart--why can't we offer the same mercy to unborn children who will only know a short life full of suffering and pain? Late term abortion is more like euthanasia than the anti-choice people want you to know because then you might actually have compassion for women who have to make these kinds of choices.
I do, I do.
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27 Nov 2016, 3:19 pm
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There was a man who had big dreams of eugenics, genetic testing and abortion. That man was Hitler. I find it hard to believe that such beliefs are still supported by the majority of this inclusive world of the 21st Century.
I find it hard to believe that most people have more compassion and mercy for dogs and cats than they do human babies. Don't babies deserve as much mercy as we have for our pets when they are suffering? Go to a neo-natal ICU and watch a new-born die slowly in pain and the family weep over the poor tiny thing's horrible suffering and then get back to us about eugenics and Hitler and how wrong abortion is when the fetus is terminally ill.
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27 Nov 2016, 3:20 pm
androbot01 wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Are people still against abortion?
Yes
It should read "against women's bodily autonomy."
Why women would want to murder their unborn children just because they're special needs is way beyond me. I guess they're entitled perfectionists who only want offspring that they can brag about. I was asked why my parents didn't abort me by my school bully/nemesis when I was in Grade 6. That kid was in my regular class between Grades 2 and 5 as well. He did everything to make my life miserable. I'm sure that kids with disabilities around the world still get asked that question by their regular peers if they have it in for them. That's why I responded as I did in the first place. It's got nothing to do with penis or uterus.
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27 Nov 2016, 3:59 pm
wilburforce wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
There was a man who had big dreams of eugenics, genetic testing and abortion. That man was Hitler. I find it hard to believe that such beliefs are still supported by the majority of this inclusive world of the 21st Century.
I find it hard to believe that most people have more compassion and mercy for dogs and cats than they do human babies. Don't babies deserve as much mercy as we have for our pets when they are suffering? Go to a neo-natal ICU and watch a new-born die slowly in pain and the family weep over the poor tiny thing's horrible suffering and then get back to us about eugenics and Hitler and how wrong abortion is when the fetus is terminally ill.
I know you can get a pet euthanized easily. I've had to do it myself several times
I think people do have compassion for babies and I think that compassion is extremely misguided. The antiabortionists probably don't consider scenarios like the one above. Their numbers probably consist of men and women who raised perfectly healthy children.
These people have compassion but the trouble is, these primitive screwheads think human life is sacred. Ironically that belief causes untold pain and suffering. These same people would probably be against euthanizing an elderly patient with terminal cancer because their ancient superstitions tell them that his life is sacred rather than she has a right to die with dignity and without pain.
I absolutely hate the idea of making anything sacred because it imposes the idea that protecting the sacred is more important than sparing people from agonising pain. They think it's worth enduring the agony to protect that which that consider sacred. They think it's worth forcing other people go through that. Stories like these show that nothing should be sacred, not even life.
To Hell with the sacred and God damn their primitive religions!
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27 Nov 2016, 4:05 pm
androbot01 wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Are people still against abortion?
Yes
It should read "against women's bodily autonomy."
Yes it is but that argument isn't going to work because the primitive zealots will say it's the baby's body. If you want an argument to use against the antiabortion screwheads perhaps you could use articles like the one wilburforce linked about how opposing abortion causes untold suffering.
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27 Nov 2016, 4:06 pm
adifferentname wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Are people still against abortion?
Name a country in which abortion is completely acceptable, without restriction, up to the moment of birth. Your question is asinine.
I did not mean to suggest there are no people against abortion, I was trying to make a point that there shouldn't be people against abortion in 2016.
However, as we all know, there are some people who would prefer to take us back to the middle ages when they used hope and prayer instead of medicine.
27 Nov 2016, 4:31 pm
RetroGamer87 wrote:
wilburforce wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
There was a man who had big dreams of eugenics, genetic testing and abortion. That man was Hitler. I find it hard to believe that such beliefs are still supported by the majority of this inclusive world of the 21st Century.
I find it hard to believe that most people have more compassion and mercy for dogs and cats than they do human babies. Don't babies deserve as much mercy as we have for our pets when they are suffering? Go to a neo-natal ICU and watch a new-born die slowly in pain and the family weep over the poor tiny thing's horrible suffering and then get back to us about eugenics and Hitler and how wrong abortion is when the fetus is terminally ill.
I know you can get a pet euthanized easily. I've had to do it myself several times
I think people do have compassion for babies and I think that compassion is extremely misguided. The antiabortionists probably don't consider scenarios like the one above. Their numbers probably consist of men and women who raised perfectly healthy children.
These people have compassion but the trouble is, these primitive screwheads think human life is sacred. Ironically that belief causes untold pain and suffering. These same people would probably be against euthanizing an elderly patient with terminal cancer because their ancient superstitions tell them that his life is sacred rather than she has a right to die with dignity and without pain.
I absolutely hate the idea of making anything sacred because it imposes the idea that protecting the sacred is more important than sparing people from agonising pain. They think it's worth enduring the agony to protect that which that consider sacred. They think it's worth forcing other people go through that. Stories like these show that nothing should be sacred, not even life.
To Hell with the sacred and God damn their primitive religions!
I've had to have a pet put down too, and it was a difficult choice--but it was still easier than watching my cat suffer.
I think you are right about why many people are against abortion--life is sacred to them, but only certain kinds of life in certain scenarios. A mother's life isn't so sacred, for example, if the mother's life is at risk from the pregnancy. They have misplaced compassion for the fetus and no compassion for the woman carrying it inside her body.
