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02 Feb 2017, 8:17 am

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Are the two of you working together to derail the thread, or is it just a lucky break for you both that you found each other? Heck, if ever derailment was an appropriate fate for a thread, it would be this one.

Proceed, by all means.


Feral Botanist was just trying to psychoanalyze me.
He does seem to be strangely interested in me...
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Nope, just trying to understand. Sorry if my disbelief comes through.

You tell a good story about how tough you are and how much you like annoying people when you are not anonymous.

Yep good story.


Only those who themselves are annoying.
What comes around goes around....



I think I understand now.

I would not say you are annoying.

The masked gunman icon, the tough talk, the tough stories.

Yep, good story.


Why is this line of discussion becoming so ad hominem?


That would imply that I am attacking his character to cast aspersions on a point he was making, which I am not.

My questions are directed at further understanding.

Besides, some who enjoys seeing others "butthurt" as he puts it, should not be bothered by what I have been asking.


I didn't mean you specifically mister defensive, I meant overall. And I agree, he most likely regards you the same as a pesky gnat buzzing around his head.



I am sorry, I just assumed you meant me because you quoted me.



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02 Feb 2017, 8:35 am

What happened at Berkely last night was a joke, anyone associated with the university should be embarassed. To think, this was the place the 'free speech movement' started, now they support brownshirt tactics and the violent supression of speech.



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02 Feb 2017, 8:39 am

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If U.C. Berkeley does not allow free speech and practices violence on innocent people with a different point of view - NO FEDERAL FUNDS?


That's a scary reaction on Trump's part. He shouldn't be using funding to manipulate educational institutions. He just doesnt get the whole "freedom" idea.



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02 Feb 2017, 8:39 am

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What happened at Berkely last night was a joke, anyone associated with the university should be embarassed. To think, this was the place the 'free speech movement' started, now they support brownshirt tactics and the violent supression of speech.


The irony strives to keep pace with the hypocrisy.



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02 Feb 2017, 8:41 am

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What happened at Berkely last night was a joke, anyone associated with the university should be embarassed. To think, this was the place the 'free speech movement' started, now they support brownshirt tactics and the violent supression of speech.


:lol:



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02 Feb 2017, 8:54 am

Laugh now but you've lost the war, Trump should pay no heed to the histrionics of the ultra-privileged class of 'progressive activists' that populate the mainstream media & academia and show no tolerance for their violence. If administrators and those who in charge won't maintain order then they should have the force of the federal government brought down on them, this has long precedence in America and can be directly compared to when the federal government implemented integration in the south. The medicine will be taken whether you like it or not. I support Donald Trump and think his presidency has been almost everything he's promised so far, it's going to be an awesome next 8 years.



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02 Feb 2017, 8:55 am

Jacoby wrote:
What happened at Berkely last night was a joke, anyone associated with the university should be embarassed. To think, this was the place the 'free speech movement' started, now they support brownshirt tactics and the violent supression of speech.


From "It's okay to punch a "Nazi"" to "We support violent disruption of events run by our political enemies" in less than a week. Ironyception.



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02 Feb 2017, 8:59 am

EzraS wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
What happened at Berkely last night was a joke, anyone associated with the university should be embarassed. To think, this was the place the 'free speech movement' started, now they support brownshirt tactics and the violent supression of speech.


The irony strives to keep pace with the hypocrisy.



I could not agree with you more.



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02 Feb 2017, 9:00 am

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Jacoby wrote:
What happened at Berkely last night was a joke, anyone associated with the university should be embarassed. To think, this was the place the 'free speech movement' started, now they support brownshirt tactics and the violent supression of speech.


From "It's okay to punch a "Nazi"" to "We support violent disruption of events run by our political enemies" in less than a week. Ironyception.


They sow the seeds of their own destruction



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02 Feb 2017, 9:03 am

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What happened at Berkely last night was a joke, anyone associated with the university should be embarassed. To think, this was the place the 'free speech movement' started, now they support brownshirt tactics and the violent supression of speech.


From "It's okay to punch a "Nazi"" to "We support violent disruption of events run by our political enemies" in less than a week. Ironyception.


They sow the seeds of their own destruction

This has every chance of being the type of thing that starts something really ugly. People need to stop rising to provocation and get back to Yippie tactics.


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02 Feb 2017, 9:06 am

I just don't believe in the "alt-Right" ideology; it's too reactionary.

I don't believe in just punching a Nazi, unless he/she punches me first.



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02 Feb 2017, 9:14 am

I feel better and better about Mattis. I know people in the military, and they seem to have good coping skills when it comes to taking orders from people they regard as incompetent.

I'm listening to Our President lie and brag at the National Prayer Breakfast, just for fun.

This just in: He wants to allow more naked political advocacy by 501c3 nonprofits, or maybe only the churches he likes.

Also: The onsite analyst for the group likes hearing the reports of the call with Australia. Shows toughness. Classic Jesus move, really. The people there don't know of anything that will make them feel safe, but the travel ban does make them feel safe, and she has not put those two things together even though she mentioned them in the same sentence. She's gleefully talking about how Trump tapped into people's fear, and gave his supporters more ammunition. The more she describes Trump, the more like Jesus he seems, I have to admit.

She deserves her own thread, really. She has put forth as fact the notion that a religious minority in any of these Muslim countries is a Christian. That's convenient, since they can lump all the rather unique other minorities in with the radical muslims of their fever dreams.


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02 Feb 2017, 10:15 am

Double post, but the news is coming in hot and fast. More details emerge about the phone calls between the US and Mexico, and the US and Australia. They got the blustery Trump, not the boring politician. Apparently, our word is no good and the US military will fix Mexico's drug gang problem while also battling their military.

Iran has been formally put on notice by Tweet. I guess that means whatever the next administration official will say it means.

So, people who voted Trump because Hillary was going to get us into a war with Russia. A land war with a neighbor is a whole other animal. Look back at how stupidly the last war we had got started if you think I'm talking nonsense. The Mexican Drug Gangs probably don't have anything to profit from by firing the first shot, but you can't underestimate machismo if you've ever encountered it.


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02 Feb 2017, 7:05 pm

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Since I've been labeled a fascist a few times...

LOL Apparently, by people who, like most here, suffer greatly from a lack of reading comprehension----Nationalist, yes; dictatorial government, NO WAY!!

It's best to not only allow them to believe we are fascists or nazis but give them little things build on it in thier minds.
Any butthurt they experience can be considered self inflicted since they elected to stir the hornets nest when they didn't have to.

LOL Yep----definitely keeps ME entertained!! LOL




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02 Feb 2017, 7:46 pm

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I just don't believe in the "alt-Right" ideology; it's too reactionary.


It's not so much something to be believed in as something to be understood. From what I've gleaned by reading a great deal of material, talking to more than a handful of self-described Alt-Right people and observing how they function as a movement, it's an incredibly diverse (though mostly young) group of people who reject the "left" but also reject the "right" due to their perception that they're no better than the "left" or have "sold out" to them.

There's definitely an attempt to subvert the entire movement by genuine white supremacists who have unparalleled freedom to express their bile due to the the Alt-Right's rejection of taboos and political correctness, but I'm convinced that particular problem is (thus far) massively overstated, having been ignited by Hillary Clinton's speech on the subject and fanned by the subsequent media coverage. That mainstream perception doesn't fit my perception of them at all.

There's also some crossover with the culture that grew out of the anti-media backlash of GamerGate (another woefully misunderstood movement), which makes sense considering the antiestablishmentarianism and distrust of the Mainstream Media that they share.

I'm by no means an expert, but it's my opinion that the Alt-Right consists primarily of disenfranchised young people who don't feel their needs and interests are represented by the establishment, feel betrayed by government policies they disagree with or deem harmful and who are rallying under a single banner in order to make a great deal of noise. I mentioned elsewhere that they've been referred to as "Political Punk Rock", which seems accurate to me.

Oh, and they're not going anywhere anytime soon.