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09 Aug 2007, 5:36 pm

Sopho wrote:

Hadron wrote:

Sopho wrote:

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Translation: Dear Sopho has lost the arguement and is a sore loser.
So what is my "type" anyway, go on. If you really want you can call me out on Intensity if you like.

I didn't even know you were on Intensity. I might do, but I can't be arsed getting into another thread right now.
Your 'type' is arrogant, conservative, mindless idiot.
I definately havn't lost any argument here lol

I suppose I could be arrogant, but the other three words are incorrect totally. If you are having to step into personal attacks, what does it say about your debating skills?

Well you did ask... :roll:

And you could have come back with a more sensible answer.

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09 Aug 2007, 5:36 pm

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Because homosexuality is a minority, it is not necessarily the norm, and historically cultures have frowned upon it because they felt it was not natural. That is why homosexuality is against the Bible - because THE MEN THAT WROTE THEM lived in a culture that frowned upon it. They put words into God's mouth.

to correct: "civilized cultures" there are MANY native american and older cultures in MANY countries where is was PERFECTLY acceptable and RESPECTED

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09 Aug 2007, 5:37 pm

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So what does being bisexual count as then. I would say it was a combination of being gay and straight, is it not. Provide evidence to the contrary that being gay is not an action/ behavior then!

Gay = the state of being attracted exclusively or almost exclusively to the same sex
Straight = the state of being attracted exclusively or almost exclusively to the 'opposite' sex
Bi = the state of being attracted to both men and women

It's quite simple really.

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09 Aug 2007, 5:38 pm

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you make homosexuality socially acceptable, then incidences of it will obviously rise, as bisexuals are more likely to go into a homosexual relationship as opposed to a hetrosexual one. Which leads to the said effects that I am talking about. These countries you cite have democratically decided their stances on homosexuality, and I think you should respect it. There are a lot bigger problems in the world, like people not being fed for instance. People can be gay if they choose their country sensibly, so there is no issue, most of the US can move to canada if it bothers them. And as for birth rate, unless you want our country to become more of an racial melting pot than it already is, i suggest you encourage the people here to f**k more here, immigration is what is currently making up our short fall. If we dont have enough kids, who will pay our state pensions, and so on?

Ok ok ok... when I read this, this is what I think of ...

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I hate gays and immigrants.

People cannot just choose their country, it takes MONEY to move to another country and a long time to get settled in and actually gain a citizenship. Furthermore, when you move, you sacrifice abandoning the friends that live in your area, as well as losing touch with family. There are people who do make the sacrifice of moving away from America, or moving to Massachusetts if they lived in a predominantly hateful state such as Texas or other states that have banned gay marriage.

I doubt you are a Native American, otherwise YOU are descended from immigrants. Every European, African, Asian, Middle Eastern, or whatnot except for Native Americans, and Inuit are immigrants to this continent.

"Incidents" of homosexuality will rise when homosexuality is more socially acceptable - People who were in the closet will come out. However, it will still be a minority, homosexuality is harmless.

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09 Aug 2007, 5:40 pm

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1. Exactly, you are arguing passonately about what is a moot point for both of us.
2. Yeah, while said kid is bullied into the nearest psych ward. You think aspies have it hard, just imagine what it would do to one of these adopted kids. As for the other two suggestions of yours, they both f**k up the kids lives quite a lot.
3. Allowing gay marriage would be promoting homosexuality, which obviously increases the amount of gay people (think about all the bisexuals) in homosexual relationships. This reduces the birth rate, which damages our economy and so on. 10% of the country electing automatically not reproduce is pretty disasterous.
On to your next post:
4. Adam is already inferile then, and yes it would not matter asides from the fact that Steve maybe fertile. Think about it.
5. Stop complaining so much and then i will be less patronising.

I'm not complaining; I'm responding to people's posts and making the point that it is discrimination.
As for the 'promoting homosexuality' - that's complete BS. You can't promote something people don't choose. I doubt a lot of bisexual people would suddenly quite being in straight relationships and go and find someone of the same sex just because they can now marry them. The reason most bi people are in straight relationships is because there is more chance of them finding someone of a different sex to be with. We don't really need a high birth rate right now tbh.
And I'm not arguing about a moot point. Just because it doesn't directly affect me, I should just sit back and think it's perfectly OK? It affects people. I don't care that it no longer affects me. If I see something going on in the world and I think it's wrong, I'll argue about it with anyone who disagrees.

You cant argue with half my points then, i suggest you read and either contest them or admit I am right. If you make homosexuality socially acceptable, then incidences of it will obviously rise, as bisexuals are more likely to go into a homosexual relationship as opposed to a hetrosexual one. Which leads to the said effects that I am talking about. These countries you cite have democratically decided their stances on homosexuality, and I think you should respect it. There are a lot bigger problems in the world, like people not being fed for instance. People can be gay if they choose their country sensibly, so there is no issue, most of the US can move to canada if it bothers them. And as for birth rate, unless you want our country to become more of an racial melting pot than it already is, i suggest you encourage the people here to f**k more here, immigration is what is currently making up our short fall. If we dont have enough kids, who will pay our state pensions, and so on?

whether or not homosexual relationships are officially recognize has nothing to do with how many there are

do you actually think the count of autism cases is on the rise, or that we're better defining them...

total BS....

why do people think homo. can be so transient with a lil +/- encouragement..... is beyond me

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09 Aug 2007, 5:40 pm

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Encoraging people to be homosexual has economic and social implications on the society in which that happens. That is my issue with it, i have no religious prejudices or anything like that. The implications affect the vast majority of people who are not gay, and I believe their rights are a big part of the equation.

Describe these implications. And be sure to explain why countries and states that allow gay marriage have not fallen into economic or social ruin now.

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09 Aug 2007, 5:42 pm

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Simple biology, dearie. Adam and Steve together dont make kids, end of.

LOL. So, I assume you are also against marriages where one of the partners:

Is infertile
Had a vasectomy or hysterectomy in the past
Is post-menopausal

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09 Aug 2007, 5:43 pm

Elemental wrote:

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Describe these implications. And be sure to explain why countries and states that allow gay marriage have not fallen into economic or social ruin now.

I did. Reduced birth rate and possible attacks on gay people. Read up.

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09 Aug 2007, 5:45 pm

JoeCapricorn wrote:

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Ok ok ok... when I read this, this is what I think of ...

Hadron wrote:

I hate gays and immigrants.

I live in the UK, so most of your arguements go out of the window. As for the mess, I would say if the massive immigration continues, britain could destabilise.
As for your thinking on me, I am just a pragmatist.

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09 Aug 2007, 5:45 pm

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2. Yeah, while said kid is bullied into the nearest psych ward. You think aspies have it hard, just imagine what it would do to one of these adopted kids. As for the other two suggestions of yours, they both f**k up the kids lives quite a lot.

I get the feeling a lot of the bullying would be coming from people just like you.

Hadron wrote:

3. Allowing gay marriage would be promoting homosexuality, which obviously increases the amount of gay people (think about all the bisexuals) in homosexual relationships. This reduces the birth rate, which damages our economy and so on. 10% of the country electing automatically not reproduce is pretty disasterous.

Rubbish. If living among people of a certain sexuality encouraged that sexuality, there would be no gay people in the first place, since everyone would have been raised by a heterosexual couple. And do you really think the gay people will be settling down and raising families if they were not allowed to marry? Short of an arranged / forced marriage, it would not happen. Either way, they would still be electing not to breed.

This is like a Whack-A-Mole game of stupid arguments.

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09 Aug 2007, 5:46 pm

Sedaka wrote:

Hadron wrote:

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How exactly does autism relate to this debate exactly? Two entirely different issues.

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09 Aug 2007, 5:50 pm

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You cant argue with half my points then, i suggest you read and either contest them or admit I am right

You're not right. You're coming up with the same old sh** I've heard and replied to on here too many times already. What specifically do you want me to reply to? If you were expecting me to go thought each o the numbers individually then I won't. I'm too tired.

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I don't know which country you mean by 'this country' but, assuming you mean the US, are you then suggesting that keeping the birth rate of white Americans up is more important than equal rights?
And it's not exactly as simple as moving to Canada if you want to get married. Most people can't afford to just get up and move to a different country, and they have family, work etc to think about to. Just let them get married ffs.

I wouldnt say it was the same old sh**, as you call it, go back and read all my arguements. As for being tired, we both live in the UK, if i can write it, you certainly can read it.
The US has made its decision for pragmatic reasons, i think if gay marriages and weddings were allowed they could quie easily end up with a massacre, and any way the democratically elected government has spoken. As for equal rights, you have them over here, in fact I would say the legislation here probably goes way too far, by deincentivising marriage. It is not as simple as letting people get married, there are very good reasons why it is not allowed. Stop being so idealistic.

were you denied a green card or something?

what a piece of work you are...

why exactly would massacres insue? lost me there....

things will change in the US eventually....

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09 Aug 2007, 5:50 pm

Hadron wrote:

I did. Reduced birth rate and possible attacks on gay people. Read up.

Already debunked the first point. Read up.

By the unlogic in your second point, the solution to racism is to deport non-white people.

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09 Aug 2007, 5:51 pm

Hadron wrote:

Sopho wrote:

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Translation: Dear Sopho has lost the arguement and is a sore loser.
So what is my "type" anyway, go on. If you really want you can call me out on Intensity if you like.

I suppose I could be arrogant, but the other three words are incorrect totally. If you are having to step into personal attacks, what does it say about your debating skills?

Stating that Sopho lost an argument and is a loser, in which neither of those is true, I didn't know that was such a debate skill

Your arguments have no sense, I don't see how homosexual marriage could really affect the US economy, you really think that will reduce child birth? give me a break, in that case you could argue that women shouldn't work, because that also reduces child birht, because there are women that choose career over having a family.

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09 Aug 2007, 5:52 pm

Elemental wrote:

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I get the feeling a lot of the bullying would be coming from people just like you.

Hadron wrote:

Your arguements are based on the premise that gay people are born gay. I dont think it is true at all.

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09 Aug 2007, 5:53 pm

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Your arguements are based on the premise that gay people are born gay. I dont think it is true at all.

Well I definately didn't choose it.

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