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27 Nov 2016, 5:11 pm
27 Nov 2016, 5:13 pm
RetroGamer87 wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Are people still against abortion? 
Name a country in which abortion is completely acceptable, without restriction, up to the moment of birth. Your question is asinine.
Now now, it's not nice to call people's questions asinine. But because I am so forgiving and benevolent, I'll answer your question anyway
The spade doth protest at being called a spade?
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There are several countries that practice third trimester abortions, including China. However, performing an abortion just before the moment of birth seems to be quite impractical. I would suggest that one should get it done well before that moment.
So your shining example of pro-choice in action is... China? A nation where children have been abandoned for being the wrong sex? Can you kinda maybe just slightly see where this might be going?
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27 Nov 2016, 5:16 pm
wilburforce wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
wilburforce wrote:
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There was a man who had big dreams of eugenics, genetic testing and abortion. That man was Hitler. I find it hard to believe that such beliefs are still supported by the majority of this inclusive world of the 21st Century.
I find it hard to believe that most people have more compassion and mercy for dogs and cats than they do human babies. Don't babies deserve as much mercy as we have for our pets when they are suffering? Go to a neo-natal ICU and watch a new-born die slowly in pain and the family weep over the poor tiny thing's horrible suffering and then get back to us about eugenics and Hitler and how wrong abortion is when the fetus is terminally ill.
I know you can get a pet euthanized easily. I've had to do it myself several times
I think people do have compassion for babies and I think that compassion is extremely misguided. The antiabortionists probably don't consider scenarios like the one above. Their numbers probably consist of men and women who raised perfectly healthy children.
These people have compassion but the trouble is, these primitive screwheads think human life is sacred. Ironically that belief causes untold pain and suffering. These same people would probably be against euthanizing an elderly patient with terminal cancer because their ancient superstitions tell them that his life is sacred rather than she has a right to die with dignity and without pain.
I absolutely hate the idea of making anything sacred because it imposes the idea that protecting the sacred is more important than sparing people from agonising pain. They think it's worth enduring the agony to protect that which that consider sacred. They think it's worth forcing other people go through that. Stories like these show that nothing should be sacred, not even life.
To Hell with the sacred and God damn their primitive religions!
I've had to have a pet put down too, and it was a difficult choice--but it was still easier than watching my cat suffer.
I think you are right about why many people are against abortion--life is sacred to them, but only certain kinds of life in certain scenarios. A mother's life isn't so sacred, for example, if the mother's life is at risk from the pregnancy. They have misplaced compassion for the fetus and no compassion for the woman carrying it inside her body.
Precisely. These are people who worship martyrs.
These people don't value the life of the mother because they think she'll go straight to Heaven.
These are people who idealise suffering.
They have compassion for the fetus, ironically their compassion stops the moment it's born.
27 Nov 2016, 5:20 pm
RetroGamer87 wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Are people still against abortion?
Name a country in which abortion is completely acceptable, without restriction, up to the moment of birth. Your question is asinine.
I did not mean to suggest there are no people against abortion, I was trying to make a point that there shouldn't be people against abortion in 2016.
Nonsense. This is not a black and white issue. Any law (hint: the law of pretty much every nation on earth) which grants fetal rights on the basis of viability is anti-abortion.
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However, as we all know, there are some people who would prefer to take us back to the middle ages when they used hope and prayer instead of medicine.
Ah, the "progress" argument. "Thou shalt not kill" is thousands of years old too. Should we abandon that because it's regressive? How about we abolish common law too? The pretence that your moralistic preferences are superior because they're hip and trendy is evidence that you put little thought into matters of morality.
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27 Nov 2016, 5:25 pm
adifferentname wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Are people still against abortion?
Name a country in which abortion is completely acceptable, without restriction, up to the moment of birth. Your question is asinine.
Now now, it's not nice to call people's questions asinine. But because I am so forgiving and benevolent, I'll answer your question anyway
The spade doth protest at being called a spade?
adifferentname wrote:
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There are several countries that practice third trimester abortions, including China. However, performing an abortion just before the moment of birth seems to be quite impractical. I would suggest that one should get it done well before that moment.
So your shining example of pro-choice in action is... China? A nation where children have been abandoned for being the wrong sex? Can you kinda maybe just slightly see where this might be going?
China's far more liberal than you give it credit. Maybe you'd see that if you looked beyond your western propaganda. If you want to sell food without a vendors licence, go to China. If you want to hire staff without a lot paperwork, go to China. There's a reason why their economy's booming.
27 Nov 2016, 5:36 pm
RetroGamer87 wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Are people still against abortion?
Name a country in which abortion is completely acceptable, without restriction, up to the moment of birth. Your question is asinine.
Now now, it's not nice to call people's questions asinine. But because I am so forgiving and benevolent, I'll answer your question anyway
The spade doth protest at being called a spade?
I believe you meant "puerile", and your context was so basic as to be comprehensible by a 5 year old. Perhaps you misunderstood my response, however, so I shall charitably restate the point.
When you ask a stupid question I shall do you the favour of pointing out that it is stupid, rather than positively reinforcing the asking of stupid questions. Whether or not you object to such is immaterial, as is your perception of whether or not it is nice.
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adifferentname wrote:
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There are several countries that practice third trimester abortions, including China. However, performing an abortion just before the moment of birth seems to be quite impractical. I would suggest that one should get it done well before that moment.
So your shining example of pro-choice in action is... China? A nation where children have been abandoned for being the wrong sex? Can you kinda maybe just slightly see where this might be going?
China's far more liberal than you give it credit. Maybe you'd see that if you looked beyond your western propaganda. If you want to sell food without a vendors licence, go to China. If you want to hire staff without a lot paperwork, go to China. There's a reason why their economy's booming.
Western propaganda? Am I speaking to a representative of the CCP? I think I'll continue to pay heed to the observations of Amnesty International and Chinese migrants, rather than you, on the subject of China's history of human rights violations, thanks all the same, comrade.
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27 Nov 2016, 5:48 pm
27 Nov 2016, 6:32 pm
RetroGamer87 wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Are people still against abortion?
Name a country in which abortion is completely acceptable, without restriction, up to the moment of birth. Your question is asinine.
Now now, it's not nice to call people's questions asinine. But because I am so forgiving and benevolent, I'll answer your question anyway
The spade doth protest at being called a spade?
adifferentname wrote:
Quote:
There are several countries that practice third trimester abortions, including China. However, performing an abortion just before the moment of birth seems to be quite impractical. I would suggest that one should get it done well before that moment.
So your shining example of pro-choice in action is... China? A nation where children have been abandoned for being the wrong sex? Can you kinda maybe just slightly see where this might be going?
China's far more liberal than you give it credit. Maybe you'd see that if you looked beyond your western propaganda. If you want to sell food without a vendors licence, go to China. If you want to hire staff without a lot paperwork, go to China. There's a reason why their economy's booming.
He's just going to insult you and move goalposts and argue pointless semantics to change the subject when you point out an error in his reasoning. Don't waste your time, dude. This guy isn't listening to anyone but himself, but will take every opportunity to insult other commenters. All he has to offer in the way of conversation is contempt and misdirection.
27 Nov 2016, 6:35 pm
wilburforce wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Are people still against abortion?
Name a country in which abortion is completely acceptable, without restriction, up to the moment of birth. Your question is asinine.
Now now, it's not nice to call people's questions asinine. But because I am so forgiving and benevolent, I'll answer your question anyway
The spade doth protest at being called a spade?
adifferentname wrote:
Quote:
There are several countries that practice third trimester abortions, including China. However, performing an abortion just before the moment of birth seems to be quite impractical. I would suggest that one should get it done well before that moment.
So your shining example of pro-choice in action is... China? A nation where children have been abandoned for being the wrong sex? Can you kinda maybe just slightly see where this might be going?
China's far more liberal than you give it credit. Maybe you'd see that if you looked beyond your western propaganda. If you want to sell food without a vendors licence, go to China. If you want to hire staff without a lot paperwork, go to China. There's a reason why their economy's booming.
He's just going to insult you and move goalposts and argue pointless semantics to change the subject when you point out an error in his reasoning. Don't waste your time, dude. This guy isn't listening to anyone but himself, but will take every opportunity to insult other commenters. All he has to offer in the way of conversation is contempt and misdirection.
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wilburforce wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
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However, please avoid personalising this too much - for example, suggesting that a style of argument is related to a psychological condition or a subconscious desire.
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For whatever reason, there is a poster here who only ever responds to comments with insults and pure contempt rather than civil and reasoned argument. I've seen him do it time and again with lots of people. But because he is very careful to word his insults he gets away with it. It's hard to watch others try again and again to reason with him and be civil and engage genuinely only to be repeatedly insulted and argued with disingenuously. It's a crappy way to act in a forum, even if it doesn't technically break the rules. It's a kind of bullying/brow-beating that shuts down real discourse and harms people who are already socially vulnerable and come here to support each other and practice our social skills.
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