Hey kids: Don't be a sucker for socialism

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20 Feb 2019, 11:15 pm

What about socialism do you say is bad. I know communism was bad but why socialism?

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20 Feb 2019, 11:35 pm

because it helps people they haughtily deem to be "useless eaters" and also it might cost 'em a bit more in taxes, that is the basic reason.

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21 Feb 2019, 3:58 am

Dylanperr wrote:

What about socialism do you say is bad. I know communism was bad but why socialism?

Socialism is just "Communism Lite" — the fundamental basis of both is Force. By contrast, free markets / libertarianism / capitalism are based on voluntary cooperation.

Browse some of the older videos of Milton Friedman for some good educational introductions.

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Darmok wrote:

Dylanperr wrote:

What about socialism do you say is bad. I know communism was bad but why socialism?

According to Karl Marx, socialism is what comes before communism, quite often communism is used incorrectly(or at least liberally), a communist state has no government and is much more similar to anarchy. "Communist" countries such as Cuba, the former Yugoslavia or the USSR were in fact by definition, socialist(with the long term theoretical goal of becoming communist, but never achieved it).

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01 Mar 2019, 7:51 am

Greedy people have your money.

Lets get them!

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01 Mar 2019, 9:59 am

Dylanperr wrote:

What about socialism do you say is bad. I know communism was bad but why socialism?

Because, in order to impose Socialism on a previously Capitalist state, the government must first take ownership of all major industries -- by force, if necessary -- and once all of that wealth and power is in the hands of the government, it stays there. Every Socialist leader does this by first promising to spread the wealth among the people, gaining their support, and then keeping the wealth for themselves after the revolution is over -- Castro, Chavez, Lenin, Mao ...

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01 Mar 2019, 6:46 pm

Fnord; like Lenin and his followers, is wrong.

Socialism and Communism need to be bottom up processes to work. The proletariat needs to take leadership and control over industry, not the government.

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01 Mar 2019, 6:53 pm

Fnord wrote:

Dylanperr wrote:

What about socialism do you say is bad. I know communism was bad but why socialism?

Authoritarian socialism is coercion/force it looks like.

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02 Mar 2019, 12:10 pm

Dylanperr wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Dylanperr wrote:

What about socialism do you say is bad. I know communism was bad but why socialism?

Authoritarian socialism is coercion/force it looks like.

Socialism cannot be enforced without Totalitarianism.

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02 Mar 2019, 12:35 pm

Fnord wrote:

Socialism cannot be enforced without Totalitarianism.

You consider workplace democracy, totalitarianism?

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02 Mar 2019, 12:36 pm

RushKing wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Socialism cannot be enforced without Totalitarianism.

You consider workplace democracy, totalitarianism?

You consider reading meaning into my posts that isn't there?

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02 Mar 2019, 12:58 pm

Fnord wrote:

You consider reading meaning into my posts that isn't there?

I just asked a question.

Many socialists (the libertarian left) are fighting for workplace democracy, and go as far as to define their socialism as worker ownership and self management.

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02 Mar 2019, 1:05 pm

Socialism is generally not successful because the state is always corrupted and the people are left with almost nothing and they lose freedoms they once enjoyed.

It's definitely working poorly in Venezuela when troops are shooting at people trying to provide aid to their country.

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