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03 Feb 2017, 6:07 pm

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What happened at Berkely last night was a joke, anyone associated with the university should be embarassed. To think, this was the place the 'free speech movement' started, now they support brownshirt tactics and the violent supression of speech.

You have proof the University itself endorsed the violence? If not then you have no right to advocate retaliation against the university.


Turns out one of the thugs might actually be on the University's payroll. The info comes from The Ralph Retort, which will automatically taint its credibility for many, but apparently one Twitter user has linked a tweet bragging about assaulting someone to a chap called Ian Dabney Miller.

http://theralphretort.com/uc-berkeley-r ... ty-203017/

Will be interesting to see how this pans out.



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03 Feb 2017, 6:12 pm

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Certain people will argue, "that's not us, those are anarchists!". But it seems to me that they are the ones who set the stage for these acts to take place. There's been incidences of violence from the beginning and it just keeps getting worse.


Considering the fact that the largest protest in American history, The Womens' March where millions of people flooded the streets without a single arrest, than yeah the overwhelming majority of the protesters are peaceful and non-violent. But that gets in the way of your agenda so that will probably just be dismissed by you guys.



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03 Feb 2017, 6:13 pm

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/righ ... 22743.html

Hey here's an article explaining that right wing terrorism is actually a bigger threat to us than Isis. Yet all Trump and his white nationalist buddy Bannon want to talk about is Muslims.



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03 Feb 2017, 6:13 pm

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Should I start blaming all Trump supporters for the Mosque being shot up? Because I don't see how that is any different from what you guys are trying to do to the left with these ridiculous posts.


There are thousands (if not millions) of self-decribed "Liberals" (including a few on here) arguing that it's okay to "punch a Nazi". The same people are sprinkling accusations of "you're a Nazi" like confetti. Either you're against violence used to silence people, or you condone it. I don't think this is something you can be agnostic on.

On the other hand, I'm not seeing any Trump supporters saying it's okay to shoot up Mosques. If you have any links to any, I'll be right there with you to call those people out for their hypocrisy. I'm sure that the Trump-supporting section of PPR would do the same.



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03 Feb 2017, 6:24 pm

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Should I start blaming all Trump supporters for the Mosque being shot up? Because I don't see how that is any different from what you guys are trying to do to the left with these ridiculous posts.


There are thousands (if not millions) of self-decribed "Liberals" (including a few on here) arguing that it's okay to "punch a Nazi". The same people are sprinkling accusations of "you're a Nazi" like confetti. Either you're against violence used to silence people, or you condone it. I don't think this is something you can be agnostic on.

On the other hand, I'm not seeing any Trump supporters saying it's okay to shoot up Mosques. If you have any links to any, I'll be right there with you to call those people out for their hypocrisy. I'm sure that the Trump-supporting section of PPR would do the same.


First off how do you know how many there are? Did you personally conduct a survey or did you just pull that out of your a**? Secondly how do you know they are all liberals? You know it isn't just liberals who hate nazis right?

Yes more people are using the word nazi, but that's because there has been a resurgence of them in this country spurred on by Trump. It seems as though they this election has given them some confidence to openly state there hateful beliefs

And that last line has to be a joke right? I have never seen a Trump supporter take a stand against hypocrisy on their side.



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03 Feb 2017, 6:25 pm

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Should I start blaming all Trump supporters for the Mosque being shot up? Because I don't see how that is any different from what you guys are trying to do to the left with these ridiculous posts.


Isn't that what you're doing already?



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03 Feb 2017, 6:30 pm

Jacoby wrote:
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Should I start blaming all Trump supporters for the Mosque being shot up? Because I don't see how that is any different from what you guys are trying to do to the left with these ridiculous posts.


Isn't that what you're doing already?


Do you know of an example of me doing that? Either post an example of that or stop trolling.



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03 Feb 2017, 6:35 pm

Lukeda420 wrote:
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Certain people will argue, "that's not us, those are anarchists!". But it seems to me that they are the ones who set the stage for these acts to take place. There's been incidences of violence from the beginning and it just keeps getting worse.


Considering the fact that the largest protest in American history, The Womens' March where millions of people flooded the streets without a single arrest, than yeah the overwhelming majority of the protesters are peaceful and non-violent. But that gets in the way of your agenda so that will probably just be dismissed by you guys.


The Pussyhat march was much more of a costume parade than a protest/riot. Just because that one got it right, doesn't excuse the rest that have wreaked havoc.



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03 Feb 2017, 6:38 pm

Jacoby wrote:
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Should I start blaming all Trump supporters for the Mosque being shot up? Because I don't see how that is any different from what you guys are trying to do to the left with these ridiculous posts.


Isn't that what you're doing already?


Exactly. That's been the obvious implication from the start.



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03 Feb 2017, 6:42 pm

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Lukeda420 wrote:
Should I start blaming all Trump supporters for the Mosque being shot up? Because I don't see how that is any different from what you guys are trying to do to the left with these ridiculous posts.


There are thousands (if not millions) of self-decribed "Liberals" (including a few on here) arguing that it's okay to "punch a Nazi". The same people are sprinkling accusations of "you're a Nazi" like confetti. Either you're against violence used to silence people, or you condone it. I don't think this is something you can be agnostic on.

On the other hand, I'm not seeing any Trump supporters saying it's okay to shoot up Mosques. If you have any links to any, I'll be right there with you to call those people out for their hypocrisy. I'm sure that the Trump-supporting section of PPR would do the same.


First off how do you know how many there are? Did you personally conduct a survey or did you just pull that out of your a**? Secondly how do you know they are all liberals? You know it isn't just liberals who hate nazis right?


Are you familiar with social media and search tools? I don't know "how many there are", hence my giving a range of thousands (known) to millions (possible).

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Yes more people are using the word nazi, but that's because there has been a resurgence of them in this country spurred on by Trump. Why do you think they were so happy with Bannon


"Trump's a Nazi and Bannon is a Nazi and the Nazis caused Trump (the Nazi) to come to power which gave Bannon (the Nazi) power which in turn led to the Nazi resurgence which put Trump (Nazi) in the Whitehouse which gave Bannon (Nazi) power which made the Nazis come out in greater and greater numbers which-"

It's a simplistic, circular argument that doesn't accurately describe anything other than the media narrative that's fuelling it. To borrow a line from an all-too-familiar religious debate: what's your first cause?

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And that last line has to be a joke right? I have never seen a Trump supporter take a stand against hypocrisy on their side.


That'll happen when you wear ideologically-tinted glasses. I'm certain many of them would say the same about Democrats. Or, put another way, the plural of "anecdote" is not "evidence".

I've called repeatedly for people to drop their partisan biases in favour of objective discussion, but nearly everyone seems to be too enamoured of sharpening their axes. Pity.



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03 Feb 2017, 6:43 pm

EzraS wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Lukeda420 wrote:
Should I start blaming all Trump supporters for the Mosque being shot up? Because I don't see how that is any different from what you guys are trying to do to the left with these ridiculous posts.


Isn't that what you're doing already?


Exactly. That's been the obvious implication from the start.


Certainly read like a false equivalence to me.



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03 Feb 2017, 6:58 pm

EzraS wrote:
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EzraS wrote:
Certain people will argue, "that's not us, those are anarchists!". But it seems to me that they are the ones who set the stage for these acts to take place. There's been incidences of violence from the beginning and it just keeps getting worse.


Considering the fact that the largest protest in American history, The Womens' March where millions of people flooded the streets without a single arrest, than yeah the overwhelming majority of the protesters are peaceful and non-violent. But that gets in the way of your agenda so that will probably just be dismissed by you guys.


The Pussyhat march was much more of a costume parade than a protest/riot. Just because that one got it right, doesn't excuse the rest that have wreaked havoc.


I said one of you guys would be by to try and dismiss it. Remember this was the largest protest in U.S. history with people marching in all fifty states and 81 other countries spanning all seven continents. This comes directly after the installation of the most unpopular incoming President in modern history. That's not something that can just be brushed aside.

I'm not to worried about your constant demonizing of any protest the left happens to make. It rings hollow. Of course there are going to be people who act badly. They're called criminals and they are the minority just as in everyday life. This is what the police are there for, to arrest these people and bring charges.

Besides, taking to the streets in protest has been an American tradition ever since the founding of this country. That is why it is enshrined in our Constitution as the very first amendment. It would be nice if more conservatives cared about the first amendment as much as they do about the second half of the second amendment.



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03 Feb 2017, 7:00 pm

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Lukeda420 wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
Lukeda420 wrote:
Should I start blaming all Trump supporters for the Mosque being shot up? Because I don't see how that is any different from what you guys are trying to do to the left with these ridiculous posts.


There are thousands (if not millions) of self-decribed "Liberals" (including a few on here) arguing that it's okay to "punch a Nazi". The same people are sprinkling accusations of "you're a Nazi" like confetti. Either you're against violence used to silence people, or you condone it. I don't think this is something you can be agnostic on.

On the other hand, I'm not seeing any Trump supporters saying it's okay to shoot up Mosques. If you have any links to any, I'll be right there with you to call those people out for their hypocrisy. I'm sure that the Trump-supporting section of PPR would do the same.


First off how do you know how many there are? Did you personally conduct a survey or did you just pull that out of your a**? Secondly how do you know they are all liberals? You know it isn't just liberals who hate nazis right?


Are you familiar with social media and search tools? I don't know "how many there are", hence my giving a range of thousands (known) to millions (possible).

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Yes more people are using the word nazi, but that's because there has been a resurgence of them in this country spurred on by Trump. Why do you think they were so happy with Bannon


"Trump's a Nazi and Bannon is a Nazi and the Nazis caused Trump (the Nazi) to come to power which gave Bannon (the Nazi) power which in turn led to the Nazi resurgence which put Trump (Nazi) in the Whitehouse which gave Bannon (Nazi) power which made the Nazis come out in greater and greater numbers which-"

It's a simplistic, circular argument that doesn't accurately describe anything other than the media narrative that's fuelling it. To borrow a line from an all-too-familiar religious debate: what's your first cause?

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And that last line has to be a joke right? I have never seen a Trump supporter take a stand against hypocrisy on their side.


That'll happen when you wear ideologically-tinted glasses. I'm certain many of them would say the same about Democrats. Or, put another way, the plural of "anecdote" is not "evidence".

I've called repeatedly for people to drop their partisan biases in favour of objective discussion, but nearly everyone seems to be too enamoured of sharpening their axes. Pity.


You are one of the biggest partisans here. :lol:

What a joke.



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03 Feb 2017, 7:01 pm

The new Deputy Director of the CIA is one of the top Bush people, destroyed the torture tapes, and still defends her actions. She should be in jail, rather than promoted. That SOB is lying about deferring to the experts.


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03 Feb 2017, 7:08 pm

Lukeda420 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
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Certain people will argue, "that's not us, those are anarchists!". But it seems to me that they are the ones who set the stage for these acts to take place. There's been incidences of violence from the beginning and it just keeps getting worse.


Considering the fact that the largest protest in American history, The Womens' March where millions of people flooded the streets without a single arrest, than yeah the overwhelming majority of the protesters are peaceful and non-violent. But that gets in the way of your agenda so that will probably just be dismissed by you guys.


The Pussyhat march was much more of a costume parade than a protest/riot. Just because that one got it right, doesn't excuse the rest that have wreaked havoc.


I said one of you guys would be by to try and dismiss it.


"A political opinion on a political board will be argued against by someone. Taking all bets."

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I'm not to worried about your constant demonizing of any protest the left happens to make


He called it a costume parade and said "that one got it right". What a damning condemnation!

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Besides, taking to the streets in protest has been an American tradition ever since the founding of this country. That is why it is enshrined in our Constitution as the very first amendment. It would be nice if more conservatives cared about the first amendment as much as they do about the second half of the second amendment.


Hitting people with flags, spraying people with pepper spray, causing property damage, etc in the pursuit of political aims is not First Amendment protected free speech - it's terrorism. That's what is being condemned, and which you are defending by equating it to the peaceful (albeit silly and disparate) women's march.



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03 Feb 2017, 7:11 pm

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You are one of the biggest partisans here. :lol:

What a joke.


You can, of course, support this absurd claim?