Are you still loving Biden?

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I'll take a guess that they are right behind the "Let's go Brandon" movement as well?

Well, they're certainly making fun of the media for that, but I think that one's pretty much organic.

LOL

It is the other way around!

I'm not sure the Republicans did much of anything to help the common folk during the Trump presidency. I didn't see a single one of my friends who were worried about their jobs do better under Trump, even though they managed to remain convinced he was improving their outlook. Which was funny to hear when they went then stayed unemployed until recently. Plus millions of citizens lost health insurance.

But I admit its all difficult to quantify and cause and effect can be unclear. If the economy improves, most individual situations do. If the economy tanks, the opposite. Economic activity isn't solely dependent on politics, as the pandemic make extremely clear. And the effect of any political policy isn't going to be seen immediately, meaning that a lot of presidencies spend at least a year or two riding on the economic results from the previous administration's policies.

I think what we DO know is that trend since the early 1980s has been to the determinant of the common folk, and that the trend continued no matter which party had power. I've been thinking that maybe we all fell for a false idea of what it takes to help most Americans thrive. No politicians for the past 40 years have been touting the best policies, regardless of political party.

I saw some of those stickers on local gas pumps. They're Hilarious!! !!

Trump WAS putting people back to work here ! Not China , he was tariffing chineses imports and reopening steel mills in the midwest . Things were getting made overhere again. ,,Do your research.

Just because you all live on the coasts and not in the rest of the country , doesnt mean these things were not happening . The Obama healthcare plan did NOT get shut down. But the Donald was trying to do that yes... ( for what reason, idk or why) and i do NOT think that was a good direction to go in.!

Last edited by Jakki on 04 Oct 2021, 6:49 pm, edited 1 time in total.

why would anybody want 30 million AMERICAN people to permanently lose their affordable health coverage? what harm have they done to anybody to deserve that abuse?

please see above editted post was having trouble when i was getting the wording correct .

It was a real idiotic thing to do to the american people... please excuse previous uneditted post.

i prolly misread it also, being an old man an' all reminds me of a recent exchange with a doc:
doc: you've got to get that blood pressure down.
me: "Pressure brown"?
doc: blood pressure, we'll deal with that other thing later on.
me: oh.

loooolz poor ole thing . .^^^^^^^^^ hope your doc takes care of the brown stuff too ..lolz

^^^yeh i wouldn't wish the brown accidents on anybody, except for a few people

I think I am older than you and feel 35.
Also, "You are only as old as the woman you feel.

i wish the bloody hell I could feel 35 [again]. but to be fair, even when i was 35 i never felt 35, always older.

Well, a lot of what he took credit for didn't actually have anything to do with the tariffs or any actions on his part. He took credit for new plants that had been in the works for 5 years already, and the one set of jobs he supposedly saved during his campaign disappeared the following year anyway. Overall economic improvement stayed on the same trend path it had been on already for 6 years; no major change.

And those tariffs ... they put the nail in the coffin of an industry or two, including my husband's employer. Engineers don't get new jobs once they are past age 60. Then to add salt in the wound our taxes went UP under the 2017 act. So much "winning" I don't even know where to start.

You also don't seem to be aware that I literally see the financial situations of hundreds of people and businesses.

I don't have any steel mill clients so if that did get back on track, good. But let's not pretend that the tariff wars did not end up hurting a LOT of DIFFERENT industries. They did.

Trump didn't shut down the ACA, he couldn't, but he did make it more difficult to enroll, and took funding from key aspects needed to fill in coverage gaps for the less fortunate. The numbers of people who no longer had insurance went up by millions. As I said, since he couldn't kill it, he was hoping to starve it.

So, um, I've done my research, and I do know that change always has winners and losers. I wanted him to bring back the middle of our economy, and would have accepted some personal costs to achieve that, but I honestly don't see that he did. The rich were getting richer, the struggling kept struggling, and I still don't know if I can ever afford to retire.

All I got to say is don't blame me I voted for Trump. I have a t-shirt that says that too.