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19 Nov 2013, 8:46 pm

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19 Nov 2013, 8:58 pm

^^^
as harry Truman would've said about today's dems, "no guts."



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19 Nov 2013, 9:09 pm

The military is a federal program. When farmed out to private firms (Blackwater etc) it became a disaster.
Right wingers (to call them conservative is a lie) want our government controlled by international corporations. The government is a puppet controled by puppeteers (international corporations ). Right wingers are as silly as a person that attacks the puppet. The puppeteers simply laugh about how we fell for their obvious scheme.
Right wingers are not known for maturity or sophistication. Another example? They love to talk about American exceptionalism. If you do not believe in American exceptionalism you hate USA! UMMM. The examples they give of American exceptionalism are examples of government policy, our entry into WW2 etc. So what they are really proclaiming is government exceptionalism!! !. DUH! UMM. That is what they are against, government!
Damn They're dumb! :D


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19 Nov 2013, 9:11 pm

righties dislike government for the same reason that bandits dislike the police.



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20 Nov 2013, 8:47 am

Jacoby wrote:
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By JONATHAN J. COOPER
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PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) - With all the problems facing the rollout of President Barack Obama's health care overhaul, nowhere is the situation worse or more surprising than in Oregon, a progressive state that has enthusiastically embraced the federal law but has so far failed to enroll a single person in coverage through the state's insurance exchange.

Despite grand ambitions, an early start, millions of dollars from the federal government and a tech-savvy population, Oregon's online enrollment system still isn't ready more than a month after it was supposed to go live. The state has resorted to hiring or reassigning 400 people to process insurance applications by hand.


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Up Next: A Health Insurance Company Bailout?
Carol Platt Liebau | Nov 18, 2013

Yep, you heard that right. If the insurance companies' costs are 3% higher than they had estimated (as a result of there being an older and/or sicker population than they expected in the ObamaCare pools), they can collect 50% of that money from the taxpayers. If their costs are 8% higher than previously estimated, they are reimbursed for a whopping 80%!

So even if Americans were able to get back the insurance they liked, they're still on the hook to pay the insurance companies when the companies' costs exceed their estimates.

That's ObamaCare -- gets you coming and going.

What a mess. Time to repeal and replace.


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any supporters starting to waver?


So I followed your link. There was no mention of where this information came from. I have been searching everywhere, and I cannot find anything confirming this other than articles referencing each other in an endless loop. Does anyone have an actual reference for this? I would genuinely like to know how true it is, as I can definitely see something like this coming from politicians looking for funding.

By the way, it is nowhere in the actual ACA and I've been through it several times.


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20 Nov 2013, 1:23 pm

It is in reference to the Reinsurance, Risk Corridors, and Risk Adjustment program in the Obamacare.



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20 Nov 2013, 1:45 pm

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today's GOP would replace it with what we had circa 1984, before the passage of EMTALA, where if you were poor you got sick and died and that was it.


Exactly. And EMTALA was signed into law by Ronald Reagan, hardly a pinko commie liberal. :lol:

I love this attitude about how people are being "forced" to buy health insurance. Who wouldn't WANT coverage? It is certainly more important than the discretionary items many people spend for nowadays. Your health underpins everything in your life. You can't work if you are sick. You can't travel if you are injured or disabled badly enough. Why would anyone advocating putting that kind of risk on people?



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20 Nov 2013, 2:15 pm

Mamselle wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
today's GOP would replace it with what we had circa 1984, before the passage of EMTALA, where if you were poor you got sick and died and that was it.


Exactly. And EMTALA was signed into law by Ronald Reagan, hardly a pinko commie liberal. :lol:

I love this attitude about how people are being "forced" to buy health insurance. Who wouldn't WANT coverage? It is certainly more important than the discretionary items many people spend for nowadays. Your health underpins everything in your life. You can't work if you are sick. You can't travel if you are injured or disabled badly enough. Why would anyone advocating putting that kind of risk on people?


The reason why people are required by law to have insurance is to keep insurance companies from denying or dropping people from coverage. But that's a point the right doesn't want to explain to the American people. Rather, they were the same rats who were allowing the insurance companies to literally get away with murder by denying coverage to people when they needed it the most.


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20 Nov 2013, 6:34 pm

auntblabby wrote:
righties dislike government for the same reason that bandits dislike the police.

What is it that you're trying to accomplish with statements like this? I'm pretty anti-republican, but this kind of denigration makes me want to side with them against you.



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20 Nov 2013, 6:49 pm

adb wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
righties dislike government for the same reason that bandits dislike the police.

What is it that you're trying to accomplish with statements like this? I'm pretty anti-republican, but this kind of denigration makes me want to side with them against you.

obviously I was referring to the GOP/TP anti-regulatory impulse, wanting to leave markets and corporations to their devices no matter who among the 99% that it hurts. the gov't IS THE POLICE that protects the little people from the big people. the gov't is supposed to be the anti-bully that keeps everybody on their best behavior. the GOP/TP dislike this as it interferes with their "freedom" to do as they please, and the devil take the hindmost.



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20 Nov 2013, 6:58 pm

government is the police that hurts the lil people not protect them

our government is bought and paid for



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20 Nov 2013, 7:27 pm

Jacoby wrote:
government is the police that hurts the lil people not protect them

our government is bought and paid for


Tell that to black Americans who can vote or eat anywhere they want to now, thanks to the federal government. Or tell that to working people who can work in safe conditions during an eight hour day, get overtime, etc, thanks to the feds.


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20 Nov 2013, 7:33 pm

Jacoby wrote:
It is in reference to the Reinsurance, Risk Corridors, and Risk Adjustment program in the Obamacare.


The money for that portion comes from the insurance companies as a form of insurance that basically redistributes the money to help stabilize the markets for a few years. HHS will provide some money if the claims are excessive, but they are capped at $2 billion in 2014 and 2015, and $1 billion in 2016. So that is about the same amount the government paid in 2009 to send 3600 FAA employees to a 3 week long conference in Atlanta to promote harmony in the workplace.


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20 Nov 2013, 7:58 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
government is the police that hurts the lil people not protect them

our government is bought and paid for


Tell that to black Americans who can vote or eat anywhere they want to now, thanks to the federal government. Or tell that to working people who can work in safe conditions during an eight hour day, get overtime, etc, thanks to the feds.


According to the Libertarians, those are all very bad, evil things.



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20 Nov 2013, 8:04 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
government is the police that hurts the lil people not protect them

our government is bought and paid for


Tell that to black Americans who can vote or eat anywhere they want to now, thanks to the federal government. Or tell that to working people who can work in safe conditions during an eight hour day, get overtime, etc, thanks to the feds.


According to the Libertarians, those are all very bad, evil things.

why are there so many higher-functioning aspies here who are so haughty towards their lower-functioning brethren, and who seem so keen on putting themselves above other aspies by saying "i'm better than you, i jerked myself up by my own bootstraps, I make more money than you, i'm successful and you're not, I am higher social status than you, and so on"? since when did WP become a bragging fest and not a support forum?



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20 Nov 2013, 8:13 pm

auntblabby wrote:
why are there so many higher-functioning aspies here who are so haughty towards their lower-functioning brethren, and who seem so keen on putting themselves above other aspies by saying "i'm better than you, i jerked myself up by my own bootstraps, I make more money than you, i'm successful and you're not, I am higher social status than you, and so on"? since when did WP become a bragging fest and not a support forum?


Well, hopefully some of the sections outside of Politics, Philosophy and Religion are supportive.