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05 Oct 2021, 7:57 am

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why would anybody want 30 million AMERICAN people to permanently lose their affordable health coverage? what harm have they done to anybody to deserve that abuse?

How much of the US population is 30 million? About 10%. So that means the US has a 90% rate of people with health insurance. That is fantastic.
So why not just do free government health insurance for those 10% of the people who are in need rather than dragging the other 90% into a system they don't want?



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05 Oct 2021, 8:01 am

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Trump WAS putting people back to work here ! Not China , he was tariffing chineses imports and reopening steel mills in the midwest . Things were getting made overhere again. ,,Do your research.

Just because you all live on the coasts and not in the rest of the country , doesnt mean these things were not happening . The Obama healthcare plan did NOT get shut down. But the Donald was trying to do that yes... ( for what reason, idk or why) and i do NOT think that was a good direction to go in.!

The Club of DC elites don't work for the people of the United States. Trump wasn't in the Club and wasn't working to expand their wealth and power so he was the enemy.



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05 Oct 2021, 8:29 am

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All I got to say is don't blame me I voted for Trump. I have a t-shirt that says that too.


Welcome to Wrong planet VJ Crazy ........ hope your stay is a good one.


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05 Oct 2021, 5:51 pm

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All I got to say is don't blame me I voted for Trump. I have a t-shirt that says that too.


74 million others voted for Trump, also.
You may not be in good company, but there are a hell of a lot of ewes. :mrgreen:

I'm a political independent, btw. 8)



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05 Oct 2021, 5:55 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
why would anybody want 30 million AMERICAN people to permanently lose their affordable health coverage? what harm have they done to anybody to deserve that abuse?

How much of the US population is 30 million? About 10%. So that means the US has a 90% rate of people with health insurance. That is fantastic.
So why not just do free government health insurance for those 10% of the people who are in need rather than dragging the other 90% into a system they don't want?


The problem seems to be with conservative Democrats.
They think the present health bill is way too expensive and won't support something they think is irresponsible.
This was reported this morning on...Sky News.



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05 Oct 2021, 5:56 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
Jakki wrote:
Trump WAS putting people back to work here ! Not China , he was tariffing chineses imports and reopening steel mills in the midwest . Things were getting made overhere again. ,,Do your research.

Just because you all live on the coasts and not in the rest of the country , doesnt mean these things were not happening . The Obama healthcare plan did NOT get shut down. But the Donald was trying to do that yes... ( for what reason, idk or why) and i do NOT think that was a good direction to go in.!

The Club of DC elites don't work for the people of the United States. Trump wasn't in the Club and wasn't working to expand their wealth and power so he was the enemy.


Politics isn't black & white, no.



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05 Oct 2021, 7:23 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
why would anybody want 30 million AMERICAN people to permanently lose their affordable health coverage? what harm have they done to anybody to deserve that abuse?

How much of the US population is 30 million? About 10%. So that means the US has a 90% rate of people with health insurance. That is fantastic.
So why not just do free government health insurance for those 10% of the people who are in need rather than dragging the other 90% into a system they don't want?


As logical as that sounds, there is no way to sell it. Conservatives quickly kill anything that goes in that direction. Too much of a "hand out" or "socialism." Also difficult to define, difficult to keep honest. And there is the overlay with all the independent state medicaid systems, all with their own ideas about who is and who isn't deserving. Politics really can make anything complicated, can't it?

I always thought the easy answer was to give people the option to buy into Medicare on a sliding scale, "ability to pay" basis, but it seems that is believed to be too much of a foot in the door towards a national single payer system, and is vehemently opposed by conservatives. Politics, ugh.


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05 Oct 2021, 7:26 pm

Pepe wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
why would anybody want 30 million AMERICAN people to permanently lose their affordable health coverage? what harm have they done to anybody to deserve that abuse?

How much of the US population is 30 million? About 10%. So that means the US has a 90% rate of people with health insurance. That is fantastic.
So why not just do free government health insurance for those 10% of the people who are in need rather than dragging the other 90% into a system they don't want?


The problem seems to be with conservative Democrats.
They think the present health bill is way too expensive and won't support something they think is irresponsible.
This was reported this morning on...Sky News.


You are mixing apples and oranges.

The current negotiation is for a "soft infrastructure" bill, NOT healthcare expansion. Although there might be a few small provisions in "soft infrastructure" designed to fill in healthcare gaps, it really isn't a healthcare bill. Its the same bill we talked about last week, with internet/telecommunications, sick leave, childcare, job training, climate change mitigation, et all included.

Most of the current healthcare gap comes from a few places:

(1) The ACA was designed for states to improve coverage through their state systems on the low income end, and they would receive federal money to do so. Many states rejected this, leaving many wage earners falling into the crack between what they can afford, and the level of poverty needed to qualify for state assistance.

(2) Some people choose to do something else with their funds, despite being able to afford their insurance amounts on paper, and there no longer is any financial penalty for not choosing healthcare. For some, the formulas simply overstate their ability to pay. For others, its almost a protest; a statement of choice.

(3) Lack of accurate information on how to enroll and what financial assistance is available. Withholding information and shortening the open enrollment period was one of the ways the Trump administration was trying to "starve" the ACA. The Biden administration is advertising heavily in the hopes of reversing this, but it remains a complicated topic that a lot of people just don't really understand.


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05 Oct 2021, 7:42 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
Jakki wrote:
Trump WAS putting people back to work here ! Not China , he was tariffing chineses imports and reopening steel mills in the midwest . Things were getting made overhere again. ,,Do your research.

Just because you all live on the coasts and not in the rest of the country , doesnt mean these things were not happening . The Obama healthcare plan did NOT get shut down. But the Donald was trying to do that yes... ( for what reason, idk or why) and i do NOT think that was a good direction to go in.!

The Club of DC elites don't work for the people of the United States. Trump wasn't in the Club and wasn't working to expand their wealth and power so he was the enemy.


Trump was in a Club, but his club centers more on himself and those who he considers loyal solely to him. He did, in fact, end up expanding the wealth and power of "the" club to which you refer, as well. You and I aren't in either club.

From all I saw while Trump was president, the things he said and wanted to do FROM HIS OWN MOUTH, he is a clear enemy of Democracy and a lover of autocracy.

The elites who are willing to step away and call it as they see it have more to lose doing so than to gain.

The outsider status and line is a convenient lie. It gets thrown out with every criticism, not matter how valid.


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05 Oct 2021, 8:16 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
why would anybody want 30 million AMERICAN people to permanently lose their affordable health coverage? what harm have they done to anybody to deserve that abuse?

How much of the US population is 30 million? About 10%. So that means the US has a 90% rate of people with health insurance. That is fantastic.
So why not just do free government health insurance for those 10% of the people who are in need rather than dragging the other 90% into a system they don't want?

because your party is opposed to "socialist medicine." :roll: you very well know this and are just pulling my chain.



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05 Oct 2021, 8:24 pm

auntblabby wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
why would anybody want 30 million AMERICAN people to permanently lose their affordable health coverage? what harm have they done to anybody to deserve that abuse?

How much of the US population is 30 million? About 10%. So that means the US has a 90% rate of people with health insurance. That is fantastic.
So why not just do free government health insurance for those 10% of the people who are in need rather than dragging the other 90% into a system they don't want?

because your party is opposed to "socialist medicine." :roll: you very well know this and are just pulling my chain.


Both Australia and Canada have a better, more equitable working health system.
Are the Amerians too arrogant to adopt something similar?



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05 Oct 2021, 8:31 pm

Pepe wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
why would anybody want 30 million AMERICAN people to permanently lose their affordable health coverage? what harm have they done to anybody to deserve that abuse?

How much of the US population is 30 million? About 10%. So that means the US has a 90% rate of people with health insurance. That is fantastic.
So why not just do free government health insurance for those 10% of the people who are in need rather than dragging the other 90% into a system they don't want?

because your party is opposed to "socialist medicine." :roll: you very well know this and are just pulling my chain.


Both Australia and Canada have a better, more equitable working health system.
Are the Amerians too arrogant to adopt something similar?

at least 74 million americans are perfectly fine with the POC and poor just dying off. i've heard it right from the horse's mouth way too many times to deny. so that particular political cohort is indeed too arrogant to help the others born less fortunate than those silver spoon types.



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05 Oct 2021, 8:50 pm

Politics in healthcare should be a crime . Humans deserve healthcare . If the politicians are
against it , then "they " should be made to live without it , in any form whatsoever , i feel. :ninja:


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05 Oct 2021, 8:53 pm

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Pepe wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
why would anybody want 30 million AMERICAN people to permanently lose their affordable health coverage? what harm have they done to anybody to deserve that abuse?

How much of the US population is 30 million? About 10%. So that means the US has a 90% rate of people with health insurance. That is fantastic.
So why not just do free government health insurance for those 10% of the people who are in need rather than dragging the other 90% into a system they don't want?

because your party is opposed to "socialist medicine." :roll: you very well know this and are just pulling my chain.


Both Australia and Canada have a better, more equitable working health system.
Are the Amerians too arrogant to adopt something similar?

at least 74 million americans are perfectly fine with the POC and poor just dying off. i've heard it right from the horse's mouth way too many times to deny. so that particular political cohort is indeed too arrogant to help the others born less fortunate than those silver spoon types.


Kudos for audacious hyperbole. :mrgreen:



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05 Oct 2021, 8:56 pm

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Politics in healthcare should be a crime . Humans deserve healthcare . If the politicians are
against it , then "they " should be made to live without it , in any form whatsoever , i feel. :ninja:


"Politics" :eew: is a pestilence that affects virtually all aspects of our lives.



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05 Oct 2021, 8:57 pm

call it hyperbole or whatever but that does not diminish the truth of it, one entire political party of ableists long have called folks like me "deadwood" and "riffraff."