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09 Aug 2007, 6:29 pm

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Encoraging people to be homosexual has economic and social implications on the society in which that happens. That is my issue with it, i have no religious prejudices or anything like that. The implications affect the vast majority of people who are not gay, and I believe their rights are a big part of the equation.

Their rights? The straight people's right to stop the gay people getting married?
And you can't encourage people to be gay - they either are or they aren't. It will always be that people are encouraged to be straight over gay, because the vast majority of society is straight. It will never be that kids grow up and think they'll be gay instead of straight because society encourages that. All that would be encouraged is for people to be in a relationship with the person they want to be with, rather that forcing themselves to be straight when they're not. That benefits society.

Explain being Bisexual then. I thought you said people are or they are not gay.
As for people being gay, i believe it is choice people make, not a predisposition. I would like to think people have some control over their own actions.

Of course people have control over their own actions. lol Being gay is not an action. You've just shown what an ignorant as*hole you really are, congratulations.
Yes, you either are gay or you aren't. Bisexual isn't gay.

So what does being bisexual count as then. I would say it was a combination of being gay and straight, is it not. Provide evidence to the contrary that being gay is not an action/ behavior then!


you once chastized me for making a statment on an OLD thread at I2.........

so return the favor and READ this thread......... that has been answered


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09 Aug 2007, 6:32 pm

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Right you have now hit my point with the first point. These some people are the problem, they are the ones who because of misguided attention seeking are now not going to move on to have children. This is what I was initially getting at, by promoting homosexuality you are evidently going to have more of them. Which then leads to the economic and other problems that go with this behavior.

tbh we don't want people like that having kids anyway. We already have enough problems in this country with idiots giving birth to kids who grow up to be just as ret*d as their parents.



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09 Aug 2007, 6:32 pm

Sedaka wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Encoraging people to be homosexual has economic and social implications on the society in which that happens. That is my issue with it, i have no religious prejudices or anything like that. The implications affect the vast majority of people who are not gay, and I believe their rights are a big part of the equation.

Their rights? The straight people's right to stop the gay people getting married?
And you can't encourage people to be gay - they either are or they aren't. It will always be that people are encouraged to be straight over gay, because the vast majority of society is straight. It will never be that kids grow up and think they'll be gay instead of straight because society encourages that. All that would be encouraged is for people to be in a relationship with the person they want to be with, rather that forcing themselves to be straight when they're not. That benefits society.

Explain being Bisexual then. I thought you said people are or they are not gay.
As for people being gay, i believe it is choice people make, not a predisposition. I would like to think people have some control over their own actions.


plz pm ragtime about his uber stringant experimentations with exploring homo. attraction lol

have you had relations with men? if you have.... why do you ask about bisexuality?

Nope I am as straight as a concrete reinforced pole. You dont seem to have mentioned your orientation in this thread Sedaka, forgive me if I missed it.
As for Ragtime, I probably dont want to know... His avatar is spooky enough with the missing top.



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09 Aug 2007, 6:32 pm

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Encoraging people to be homosexual has economic and social implications on the society in which that happens. That is my issue with it, i have no religious prejudices or anything like that. The implications affect the vast majority of people who are not gay, and I believe their rights are a big part of the equation.


Describe these implications. And be sure to explain why countries and states that allow gay marriage have not fallen into economic or social ruin now.

I did. Reduced birth rate and possible attacks on gay people. Read up.


so what are the bad effects of a birthrate reduction?

and thanks for protecting gays from their own good.


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09 Aug 2007, 6:35 pm

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Translation: Dear Sopho has lost the arguement and is a sore loser.
So what is my "type" anyway, go on. If you really want you can call me out on Intensity if you like.

I didn't even know you were on Intensity. I might do, but I can't be arsed getting into another thread right now.
Your 'type' is arrogant, conservative, mindless idiot.
I definately havn't lost any argument here lol

I suppose I could be arrogant, but the other three words are incorrect totally. If you are having to step into personal attacks, what does it say about your debating skills?


do patronizing is a good debating skill, then?

In the event of arguement from authority, definately. In other circumstances no.



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09 Aug 2007, 6:36 pm

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How exactly does autism relate to this debate exactly? Two entirely different issues.


it's called an analogy.... im using something similar so you can (possibly) relate

however.... the relevance is that both being gay and AS are two things you dont have a choice about...

do you choose to act AS? if so quit bitching about all the things ive heard you b***h about elsewhere


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09 Aug 2007, 6:38 pm

Sedaka wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Encoraging people to be homosexual has economic and social implications on the society in which that happens. That is my issue with it, i have no religious prejudices or anything like that. The implications affect the vast majority of people who are not gay, and I believe their rights are a big part of the equation.

Their rights? The straight people's right to stop the gay people getting married?
And you can't encourage people to be gay - they either are or they aren't. It will always be that people are encouraged to be straight over gay, because the vast majority of society is straight. It will never be that kids grow up and think they'll be gay instead of straight because society encourages that. All that would be encouraged is for people to be in a relationship with the person they want to be with, rather that forcing themselves to be straight when they're not. That benefits society.

Explain being Bisexual then. I thought you said people are or they are not gay.
As for people being gay, i believe it is choice people make, not a predisposition. I would like to think people have some control over their own actions.

Of course people have control over their own actions. lol Being gay is not an action. You've just shown what an ignorant as*hole you really are, congratulations.
Yes, you either are gay or you aren't. Bisexual isn't gay.

So what does being bisexual count as then. I would say it was a combination of being gay and straight, is it not. Provide evidence to the contrary that being gay is not an action/ behavior then!


you once chastized me for making a statment on an OLD thread at I2.........

so return the favor and READ this thread......... that has been answered

Different scenario, you were reigniting a massive flame war potentially, and you would have actually had to read the 20 pages to get a full understanding. If it was summable I would have done it there.
Can tell me how far down the thread to look then....



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09 Aug 2007, 6:39 pm

Sedaka wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Elemental wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Encoraging people to be homosexual has economic and social implications on the society in which that happens. That is my issue with it, i have no religious prejudices or anything like that. The implications affect the vast majority of people who are not gay, and I believe their rights are a big part of the equation.


Describe these implications. And be sure to explain why countries and states that allow gay marriage have not fallen into economic or social ruin now.

I did. Reduced birth rate and possible attacks on gay people. Read up.


so what are the bad effects of a birthrate reduction?

and thanks for protecting gays from their own good.

I asked a question to this troll guy, but he doesn't answer
if birth rate reduction is the problem, should women not be allowed to have careers? or they should as long they have children?
if there is a difference explain.

I don't really see any economical repercusion for allowing gay marriages, this is just an excuse people that hate gays do, because they dislike the idea.
I believe neo-nazis can make a very similar argument like yours about races, would you agree with them?


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09 Aug 2007, 6:41 pm

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1. Nope, i got in fine when i visited the US
2. Thanks...
3. Christian Fundementalists getting a little more than upset. Similar reasoning to why being an abortionist in America is a dangerous occupation.
4. Could be in the opposite way to what you are expecting/ want.


1. well now ill sleep better tonight
2. yw
3. doesnt make the news...........
4. true.... but unlikely... though we could all kill ourselves before we'll ever know


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09 Aug 2007, 6:41 pm

Sedaka wrote:
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How exactly does autism relate to this debate exactly? Two entirely different issues.


it's called an analogy.... im using something similar so you can (possibly) relate

however.... the relevance is that both being gay and AS are two things you dont have a choice about...

do you choose to act AS? if so quit bitching about all the things ive heard you b***h about elsewhere

And I think its a bad analogy, as I said, and Sopho has now partially admitted, some people choose to be gay, if not all. As for my "bitching", nice of you to lurk and not post.



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09 Aug 2007, 6:42 pm

greenblue wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Elemental wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Encoraging people to be homosexual has economic and social implications on the society in which that happens. That is my issue with it, i have no religious prejudices or anything like that. The implications affect the vast majority of people who are not gay, and I believe their rights are a big part of the equation.


Describe these implications. And be sure to explain why countries and states that allow gay marriage have not fallen into economic or social ruin now.

I did. Reduced birth rate and possible attacks on gay people. Read up.


so what are the bad effects of a birthrate reduction?

and thanks for protecting gays from their own good.

I asked a question to this troll guy, but he doesn't answer
if birth rate reduction is the problem, should women not be allowed to have careers? or they should as long they have children?
if there is a difference explain.

I don't really see any economical repercusion for allowing gay marriages, this is just an excuse people that hate gays do, because they dislike the idea.
I believe neo-nazis can make a very similar argument like yours about races, would you agree with them?

I know I have been ignoring your posts and will continue to do so, if you carry on playing the troll card...



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09 Aug 2007, 6:43 pm

Hadron wrote:
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Hadron wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Translation: Dear Sopho has lost the arguement and is a sore loser.
So what is my "type" anyway, go on. If you really want you can call me out on Intensity if you like.

I didn't even know you were on Intensity. I might do, but I can't be arsed getting into another thread right now.
Your 'type' is arrogant, conservative, mindless idiot.
I definately havn't lost any argument here lol

I suppose I could be arrogant, but the other three words are incorrect totally. If you are having to step into personal attacks, what does it say about your debating skills?

Stating that Sopho lost an argument and is a loser, in which neither of those is true, I didn't know that was such a debate skill

Your arguments have no sense, I don't see how homosexual marriage could really affect the US economy, you really think that will reduce child birth? give me a break, in that case you could argue that women shouldn't work, because that also reduces child birht, because there are women that choose career over having a family.

Good job I am talking about the UK then on the economic points. As for losing an arguement, i think she has done that in style...


i think you and rag should call eachother out on I2 lol


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09 Aug 2007, 6:45 pm

Sedaka wrote:
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1. Nope, i got in fine when i visited the US
2. Thanks...
3. Christian Fundementalists getting a little more than upset. Similar reasoning to why being an abortionist in America is a dangerous occupation.
4. Could be in the opposite way to what you are expecting/ want.


1. well now ill sleep better tonight
2. yw
3. doesnt make the news...........
4. true.... but unlikely... though we could all kill ourselves before we'll ever know

1. Excellent
3. Its so common place, thats why. Michael Moore and others still write about it though.
4. I am not sure america will liberalise so.



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09 Aug 2007, 6:45 pm

Sedaka wrote:
Hadron wrote:
greenblue wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Translation: Dear Sopho has lost the arguement and is a sore loser.
So what is my "type" anyway, go on. If you really want you can call me out on Intensity if you like.

I didn't even know you were on Intensity. I might do, but I can't be arsed getting into another thread right now.
Your 'type' is arrogant, conservative, mindless idiot.
I definately havn't lost any argument here lol

I suppose I could be arrogant, but the other three words are incorrect totally. If you are having to step into personal attacks, what does it say about your debating skills?

Stating that Sopho lost an argument and is a loser, in which neither of those is true, I didn't know that was such a debate skill

Your arguments have no sense, I don't see how homosexual marriage could really affect the US economy, you really think that will reduce child birth? give me a break, in that case you could argue that women shouldn't work, because that also reduces child birht, because there are women that choose career over having a family.

Good job I am talking about the UK then on the economic points. As for losing an arguement, i think she has done that in style...


i think you and rag should call eachother out on I2 lol

Call him out for?



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09 Aug 2007, 6:46 pm

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Encoraging people to be homosexual has economic and social implications on the society in which that happens. That is my issue with it, i have no religious prejudices or anything like that. The implications affect the vast majority of people who are not gay, and I believe their rights are a big part of the equation.


1.so majority is always right?

2.do you enjoy having to assimilate to the NT world?

1. The impact on the majority of people has to be balanced against the intrests of the minority. But no, i certianly dont hold the majorirty is always right belief.
2. No, but then a lot of time I dont have to. Much of the time I am respected for who I am, and people who tend to cause me trouble I can fight back in ways they cant retaliate against. Anyway we aspies will succeed NT's someday, the good old fun of evolution, but that is another matter.


so why pick a fight with the gays?

how are they causing you trouble? economics?


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09 Aug 2007, 6:46 pm

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why is that so hard to conceive


(No pun intended.)


you never entend the humor that is found in many of your posts.........

keep your 2 copper, plz


You're royally pissed @ me aren't you?


/yawn

what?

are you being serious now?


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