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01 Aug 2009, 1:56 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
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Outside of dreams, anytime I close my eyes I see scenes. Frequently, if they are of people's faces they meld into each other with features quickly dissolving, changing, as if my memory was running through the faces in a huge data file. When riding a bus with my eyes closed I see imaginary detailed landscapes outside the bus passing by at the same rate the bus is moving but having little if any relation to what is actually passing by. I see stores with various contents in the display windows, highly detailed, but not existent in reality. If I close my eyes and press them I see photographic scenes, some of them quite memorable. I remember seeing a group of huge blue lobster like creatures in the control room of a space ship. I have no idea where these images arise and all are quite strange and unexpected. When I was a kid I thought everybody saw these images but as I grew up I discovered not many people do.


I've had similar hypnogorgic imagery, though I'll admit that I had chemical assistance. My eyes were closed and I started seeing something like a channel selector of faces from all over the world, most were either Arabic, Mediterranean, East European, Latino, African, Asian, and the selector looked like it had the artificial wide-screen 9:16 dimensions except that it was flipped a vertical access - much of it seemed to be in something of a dusty sepia tone fading to black on the edges. When I did dial in one one face it was a real steely-eyed guy, maybe 32 or 33, kinda looked like Lane Staley of Alice In Chains with shorter hair and without it died up (so yes - pretty much the blend of artistic, intelligent, and R-type personality). The guy appeared to have been in the military and was living in a sort of a sparse and dark apartment with dirty wood floor, barely anything to call furniture, looking out on an East European city that was all mud with peasants, farm animals, and occasional military convoys rolling through. I then sort of saw his psyche (well, per the sensation of that moment), got enough dose of reality to where it might have well simulated me drilling into a real person's thoughts outside my own. I think by the time I then saw a dirty VA hospital and the guy being choked to death under a plastic sheet that it was my mind more concretely interfering because I was starting to think of it like a movie and give it bad plot twists or let the mood of things expound too much - still, it was an interesting run of thought.

I think this is why I'm also so in touch with music and why I love the kinds of beats, melody, and rhythm that really dive abstractly into the psyche. The high quality examples are out there and it seems like people have really gotten away from the need for a traditional mold and structure (pop is still out there but its not anything close to the be-all-end-all) and really gotten to the point where they can really express the darkest and most abstract sides of themselves, life, etc.. Being that things like psilocybin, LSD, mescaline, DXM, all bring out excaburated senses of something similar - its amazing as well just how much of everything from movies to commercial art have sought sometimes almost dangerously (to the privacy of the user) direct pull from that mind state. Some people may be able to dream that vividly on a regular basis, some are just able to build a sort of reservoir of that kind of thought as linked with their conscious state and have learned to tap it without aid (I think the later point I've really been lucky with).

At this point though I'm kind of in a similar boat to where I very rarely remember my dreams and when I do it seems like they're almost too directly related to present concerns, like struggling to figure something out at work and having my mind turn to mash on it - because I'm sleeping and because I'm dealing with a complex problem that has no hinges on reality as my mind makes up the rules of the project or drops them as I go (my working memory in sleep is something of an atrocity as well so I can really get the sense of drowning under pressure).


You sound so cool. Gosh, your future girlfriend will be lucky...


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03 Aug 2009, 2:33 am

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The stuff of dreams topic

I have no universal answer as to the cause of human dreaming, but I do know in my case dreams to me seem like random firings of neurons involving memories. My dreams are always bizarre, and most have no plot. The few good ones I have had and remembered are fodder for my writings.




My dreams are very nonsensical as well. This seems logical, because your frontal lobes are turned off when you dream, although other parts of your brain (for example your visual cortex) are very active. The frontal lobes are ness Cary for logic and planning that is why these elements are generally lacking in dreams. However, dreams are usually very visually vivid, at least mine are anyways.



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03 Aug 2009, 5:09 am

Since each mind is somewhat different it is not possible to generalize absolutely about dreams but my dreams make sense to me. My mind is structured in a certain way and when I sleep the new ideas and experiences I experience when awake are fed into the general data lode that forms my memory and arrangement of data according to my rational sense. My rationality limits the way this data can be interconnected to give some consistency to my thinking and therefore forbids certain inter-references. When I sleep those barriers come down and data is permitted to mingle in a way I would not perceive possible when awake. So when I awaken and remember a very odd dream I am presented to alternatives to my normal perceptions I would not necessarily arrive at when fully conscious. My dreams are a trove of fantasies that might have real validity in the waking world. As an artist and creative person I have dreamed of walking through galleries of wonderful paintings in full color that I never thought I could pull from my awaking talents but there they were and obviously I had created them.
Night before last I dreamt I and a bunch of other people were arrested by a squad of humanoid police robots for something we were unjustly accused of. There was no way of reasoning with these single minded machines and there seemed no escape was possible but someone in the crowd understood the robot software and created a logical conundrum for the robots that completely puzzled them and they froze in place performing meaningless gestures over and over again and we all walked away. It was a solution to a fantasy problem and a fascinating and very emotional experience.



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03 Aug 2009, 5:23 am

Magnus wrote:
You sound so cool. Gosh, your future girlfriend will be lucky...

If I'm a similar sort of guy in another life perhaps, likely not this one though. :wink: