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24 Jul 2009, 9:05 pm

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But, anyway, soldiers today are complete pansies compared to the soldiers of past generations.



Say those very words directly to a Special Forces man or a U.S. Marine and see what happens to you.

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25 Jul 2009, 9:44 am

ruveyn wrote:
pandabear wrote:
But, anyway, soldiers today are complete pansies compared to the soldiers of past generations.



Say those very words directly to a Special Forces man or a U.S. Marine and see what happens to you.

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That would indeed be an interesting experiment.


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25 Jul 2009, 10:46 am

ruveyn wrote:
pandabear wrote:
But, anyway, soldiers today are complete pansies compared to the soldiers of past generations.



Say those very words directly to a Special Forces man or a U.S. Marine and see what happens to you.

ruveyn

A properlly trained special forces man or U.S. Marine wouldn't react to such a shabby provocation...



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25 Jul 2009, 10:51 am

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As a gay man and in the US Army



Not for long if you keep on announcing things like that. For your own job security, you should probably not announce that too frequently.


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25 Jul 2009, 7:43 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol5Dfs7jqFI[/youtube]

Anyway, the military is a lot different today than it used to be. Andrew Jackson would punish a soldier who was reluctant to face death with 200 lashes for a first offense, hanging for the second.

The British army maintained a high level of morale and discipline among their troops during WWI by executing hundreds of their own soldiers.

Many modern soldiers tend to look at the military as a career option, and become basically bureaucrats in uniform, craving promotion and career advancement, health care and pensions. Both major political parties compete with each other over how much they are going to give away to soldiers in terms of salary and benefit increases.



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25 Jul 2009, 7:52 pm

pandabear wrote:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol5Dfs7jqFI[/youtube]

Anyway, the military is a lot different today than it used to be. Andrew Jackson would punish a soldier who was reluctant to face death with 200 lashes for a first offense, hanging for the second.

The British army maintained a high level of morale and discipline among their troops during WWI by executing hundreds of their own soldiers.

Many modern soldiers tend to look at the military as a career option, and become basically bureaucrats in uniform, craving promotion and career advancement, health care and pensions. Both major political parties compete with each other over how much they are going to give away to soldiers in terms of salary and benefit increases.


Your enthusiasm for the brutality out of military slavery again demonstrates a contempt for brave people captured by immensely stupid circumstances.
See http://www.veteranstoday.com/modules.ph ... e&sid=7005



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People wonder why I hate Donald Rumsfeld, it was his "Principal over commen sense" philosophy, or better yet, his illogical hatred for people working under him, even Bush had to replace him because of his gross mismanagment of the DOD and that's saying something.

People wonder why I hate Bill Clinton.



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25 Jul 2009, 11:12 pm

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People wonder why I hate Donald Rumsfeld, it was his "Principal over commen sense" philosophy, or better yet, his illogical hatred for people working under him, even Bush had to replace him because of his gross mismanagment of the DOD and that's saying something.

People wonder why I hate Bill Clinton.


Clinton was (is) a fake liberal who supervised the demolish of the regulation of the financial institutions to result in the current robbery by the banks and insurance companies of huge amounts of public money. He also screwed up the cultural buffer for deprived people which helped them get by in tough times, one of Ronald Reagan's favorite targets. And of course, there was the killing of thousands of Iraq babies through his sanctions and his desertion of the African massacre in Rwanda. I don't wonder.



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26 Jul 2009, 1:19 am

Sand wrote:
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MDD123 wrote:
People wonder why I hate Donald Rumsfeld, it was his "Principal over commen sense" philosophy, or better yet, his illogical hatred for people working under him, even Bush had to replace him because of his gross mismanagment of the DOD and that's saying something.

People wonder why I hate Bill Clinton.


Clinton was (is) a fake liberal who supervised the demolish of the regulation of the financial institutions to result in the current robbery by the banks and insurance companies of huge amounts of public money. He also screwed up the cultural buffer for deprived people which helped them get by in tough times, one of Ronald Reagan's favorite targets. And of course, there was the killing of thousands of Iraq babies through his sanctions and his desertion of the African massacre in Rwanda. I don't wonder.


All the "liberals" we've had have been pretty much fake liberals and our policies haven't really changed at all in the past 40 years. Cosmetic differences, but no substantial change on any front. Barry is the same way and he'll be a fake little pseudo-liberal who'll spend like crazy for the corporations (see: healthcare plan and just how much it benefits the insurance industry).


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26 Jul 2009, 1:35 am

skafather84 wrote:
Sand wrote:
RageBeoulve wrote:
MDD123 wrote:
People wonder why I hate Donald Rumsfeld, it was his "Principal over commen sense" philosophy, or better yet, his illogical hatred for people working under him, even Bush had to replace him because of his gross mismanagment of the DOD and that's saying something.

People wonder why I hate Bill Clinton.


Clinton was (is) a fake liberal who supervised the demolish of the regulation of the financial institutions to result in the current robbery by the banks and insurance companies of huge amounts of public money. He also screwed up the cultural buffer for deprived people which helped them get by in tough times, one of Ronald Reagan's favorite targets. And of course, there was the killing of thousands of Iraq babies through his sanctions and his desertion of the African massacre in Rwanda. I don't wonder.


All the "liberals" we've had have been pretty much fake liberals and our policies haven't really changed at all in the past 40 years. Cosmetic differences, but no substantial change on any front. Barry is the same way and he'll be a fake little pseudo-liberal who'll spend like crazy for the corporations (see: healthcare plan and just how much it benefits the insurance industry).


I assume by Barry you mean Obama and not Goldwater. I'm with you on that one. Now if we can only get through this business of being five dimensional ...



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26 Jul 2009, 1:41 am

Sand wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Sand wrote:
RageBeoulve wrote:
MDD123 wrote:
People wonder why I hate Donald Rumsfeld, it was his "Principal over commen sense" philosophy, or better yet, his illogical hatred for people working under him, even Bush had to replace him because of his gross mismanagment of the DOD and that's saying something.

People wonder why I hate Bill Clinton.


Clinton was (is) a fake liberal who supervised the demolish of the regulation of the financial institutions to result in the current robbery by the banks and insurance companies of huge amounts of public money. He also screwed up the cultural buffer for deprived people which helped them get by in tough times, one of Ronald Reagan's favorite targets. And of course, there was the killing of thousands of Iraq babies through his sanctions and his desertion of the African massacre in Rwanda. I don't wonder.


All the "liberals" we've had have been pretty much fake liberals and our policies haven't really changed at all in the past 40 years. Cosmetic differences, but no substantial change on any front. Barry is the same way and he'll be a fake little pseudo-liberal who'll spend like crazy for the corporations (see: healthcare plan and just how much it benefits the insurance industry).


I assume by Barry you mean Obama and not Goldwater. I'm with you on that one. Now if we can only get through this business of being five dimensional ...


Religious freedom. I've allowed myself a little insanity recently.In essence, I'm just embracing some irrationality to foster my creative side a bit more and to see a world beyond what we see as existing.

And yes, I mean Obama....he officially engraved himself on me as Barry when he didn't have Funkadelic play Chocolate City at his inauguration party. Or at least get Bad Brains to play since they were the quintessential black rock band from Washington DC.


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26 Jul 2009, 1:57 am

skafather84 wrote:
Sand wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Sand wrote:
RageBeoulve wrote:
MDD123 wrote:
People wonder why I hate Donald Rumsfeld, it was his "Principal over commen sense" philosophy, or better yet, his illogical hatred for people working under him, even Bush had to replace him because of his gross mismanagment of the DOD and that's saying something.

People wonder why I hate Bill Clinton.


Clinton was (is) a fake liberal who supervised the demolish of the regulation of the financial institutions to result in the current robbery by the banks and insurance companies of huge amounts of public money. He also screwed up the cultural buffer for deprived people which helped them get by in tough times, one of Ronald Reagan's favorite targets. And of course, there was the killing of thousands of Iraq babies through his sanctions and his desertion of the African massacre in Rwanda. I don't wonder.


All the "liberals" we've had have been pretty much fake liberals and our policies haven't really changed at all in the past 40 years. Cosmetic differences, but no substantial change on any front. Barry is the same way and he'll be a fake little pseudo-liberal who'll spend like crazy for the corporations (see: healthcare plan and just how much it benefits the insurance industry).


I assume by Barry you mean Obama and not Goldwater. I'm with you on that one. Now if we can only get through this business of being five dimensional ...


Religious freedom. I've allowed myself a little insanity recently.In essence, I'm just embracing some irrationality to foster my creative side a bit more and to see a world beyond what we see as existing.

And yes, I mean Obama....he officially engraved himself on me as Barry when he didn't have Funkadelic play Chocolate City at his inauguration party. Or at least get Bad Brains to play since they were the quintessential black rock band from Washington DC.


This is way the hell off topic but a five dimensional universe implies multiple time paths and I can see how that can be connected to probability but (and this is no place to discuss this) as we are firmly solidified into a unified being in four dimensions there is no reason that we are not also a very peculiar five(or perhaps more) dimensional creature moving in all the paths simultaneously.
And this is very unsubstantiated speculation.



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26 Jul 2009, 11:05 am

To bring us back to the topic:

http://blog.ted.com/2007/09/steven_pinker.php



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26 Jul 2009, 11:55 am

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To bring us back to the topic:

http://blog.ted.com/2007/09/steven_pinker.php


The talk on empathy and decrease of violence strikes me as peculiar in reference to your disdain for modern soldiers in another thread for their lack of willingness to accept extreme violence.



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26 Jul 2009, 12:28 pm

Sand wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Sand wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Sand wrote:
RageBeoulve wrote:
MDD123 wrote:
People wonder why I hate Donald Rumsfeld, it was his "Principal over commen sense" philosophy, or better yet, his illogical hatred for people working under him, even Bush had to replace him because of his gross mismanagment of the DOD and that's saying something.

People wonder why I hate Bill Clinton.


Clinton was (is) a fake liberal who supervised the demolish of the regulation of the financial institutions to result in the current robbery by the banks and insurance companies of huge amounts of public money. He also screwed up the cultural buffer for deprived people which helped them get by in tough times, one of Ronald Reagan's favorite targets. And of course, there was the killing of thousands of Iraq babies through his sanctions and his desertion of the African massacre in Rwanda. I don't wonder.


All the "liberals" we've had have been pretty much fake liberals and our policies haven't really changed at all in the past 40 years. Cosmetic differences, but no substantial change on any front. Barry is the same way and he'll be a fake little pseudo-liberal who'll spend like crazy for the corporations (see: healthcare plan and just how much it benefits the insurance industry).


I assume by Barry you mean Obama and not Goldwater. I'm with you on that one. Now if we can only get through this business of being five dimensional ...


Religious freedom. I've allowed myself a little insanity recently.In essence, I'm just embracing some irrationality to foster my creative side a bit more and to see a world beyond what we see as existing.

And yes, I mean Obama....he officially engraved himself on me as Barry when he didn't have Funkadelic play Chocolate City at his inauguration party. Or at least get Bad Brains to play since they were the quintessential black rock band from Washington DC.


This is way the hell off topic but a five dimensional universe implies multiple time paths and I can see how that can be connected to probability but (and this is no place to discuss this) as we are firmly solidified into a unified being in four dimensions there is no reason that we are not also a very peculiar five(or perhaps more) dimensional creature moving in all the paths simultaneously.
And this is very unsubstantiated speculation.


It may be better if we took this series of responses to the Eternal Recurrence thread or maybe the Beliefs thread. Dunno which...surprise me! .....and let me know too.

Of course there are multiple time paths. It fits the Shroedinger's Cat theory. There may be millions of time paths where the cat dies but maybe one singular one that for, some reason or another, the cat survives. Again, it's probability. It also fits the idea of multiple universes (each one being manifested of a divergence in probability within the time path).You have more chance of being struck by lightning 3 times than winning the lottery here in America but it's still won. And while i describe it as philosophical dimensions, I wouldn't be surprised if elements of that philosophy show up in M-theory's 11 dimensions with 2 for time and the remaining 3 for probability (again, complete baloney, I know but figured I may as well take my own shot at the lottery...doesn't hurt being wrong...only means you learn something new).


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26 Jul 2009, 12:32 pm

Sand wrote:
pandabear wrote:
To bring us back to the topic:

http://blog.ted.com/2007/09/steven_pinker.php


The talk on empathy and decrease of violence strikes me as peculiar in reference to your disdain for modern soldiers in another thread for their lack of willingness to accept extreme violence.


A lot of people can talk empathy but it's a lot harder to actual use it frequently enough in practice to be considered a part of daily habit. I'm trying to work on getting it up to be daily habit and I've had some success but it's certainly not an easy habit to pick up...especially when all of the input around you pulls you out of that.

Practicing a little ego death every now and again helps, though. But it's not an easy process and not easy on the psyche.


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