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JDoherty
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19 Aug 2009, 8:32 am

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i am considered to be extremely racist. i am not racist however.
i believe every person alive is no less valuable than anyone else.

australian aborigines are not made for modern living. they have a very primitively angry mindset.
they think we stole their land, but they still have so much fertile bush to roam in.

they want to be in our cities because they can get alcohol and mcdonalds food.

it is strange to me that they are so angry at the invasion of their land when they cling like iron filings to all the western magnets like alcohol and bars and petrol and takeaway food.

if we said "ok guys! you win!. we are all going to go away", and then we demolished our cities and took all the rubble away and left them in the stark bush where we first found them, they would beg for our return.

i am a bit annoyed at how many people see us white people as pompous egotists.

but every individual person no matter what race they are from deserves complete fairness.

i do not know how to answer this topic really. i am not very "uber" minded.


I am of Aboriginal descent and I live in the city - not because of alcohol or take-away as you put it.
I was born in the suburbs of Sydney, grew up primarily by my mum's side of the family (white Australians) and love the city life because that was where I grew up, I love the convenience of travel as I can't drive and I can spend my time doing things on a weekend such as going on walks by a beach etc.

I want to improve myself and to prove to all those people who put down Aboriginal people by getting tertiary education and hoping to gain employment in some office somewhere in or near the city.



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21 Aug 2009, 10:14 am

[quote="b9"]
australian aborigines are not made for modern living. they have a very primitively angry mindset.
they think we stole their land, but they still have so much fertile bush to roam in.
/quote]

Then you remember that a year or two ago it came out that there was a huge problem with child molestation in Aboriginal communities.

It was so bad that the government sent in the Federal Police and the ARMY to sort them out.

But they are stumped. What are they going to do? Arrest half the men and throw them in jail?
Take the "at risk" children into foster care?

They are still bleating about "the stolen generation" when the government did that 50 years ago.

The Aborigines wanted "land rights" so they were given huge tracts of land.

Now they choose to live on that land. They DON'T grow crops and raise sheep or cattle.

But they DO yell "We have no jobs! We have no money! We have no hospitals!

"We drink too much and it is all wh***y's fault" (But don't ban booze on the reservation because that would be "racist".)

"We molest our children and that is wh***y's fault too"

"Our children sniff glue and petrol and that is wh***y's fault as well"

It is "racist" that so many of us are in jail. (Never mind that we commit far more crimes per capita than the rest of the population)

"We reserve the right to be lazy violent and dirty people and blame it all on YOU"



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21 Aug 2009, 10:47 am

Generalizations are usually a good way to becoming racist y'know.



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21 Aug 2009, 10:59 am

phil777 wrote:
Generalizations are usually a good way to becoming racist y'know.


In other words, all generalizations are wrong including this one.



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21 Aug 2009, 11:01 am

Unless proven otherwise. *



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21 Aug 2009, 1:59 pm

Sand wrote:
phil777 wrote:
Generalizations are usually a good way to becoming racist y'know.


In other words, all generalizations are wrong including this one.


But that is not the case. There are many true general statements. For example the sum of even integers is even. That is both general and true.

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22 Aug 2009, 12:44 am

Wombat wrote:

Then you remember that a year or two ago it came out that there was a huge problem with child molestation in Aboriginal communities.

It was so bad that the government sent in the Federal Police and the ARMY to sort them out.

But they are stumped. What are they going to do? Arrest half the men and throw them in jail?
Take the "at risk" children into foster care?

They are still bleating about "the stolen generation" when the government did that 50 years ago.

The Aborigines wanted "land rights" so they were given huge tracts of land.

Now they choose to live on that land. They DON'T grow crops and raise sheep or cattle.

But they DO yell "We have no jobs! We have no money! We have no hospitals!

"We drink too much and it is all wh***y's fault" (But don't ban booze on the reservation because that would be "racist".)

"We molest our children and that is wh***y's fault too"

"Our children sniff glue and petrol and that is wh***y's fault as well"

It is "racist" that so many of us are in jail. (Never mind that we commit far more crimes per capita than the rest of the population)

"We reserve the right to be lazy violent and dirty people and blame it all on YOU"

What ignorant, uneducated racism.

There is plenty of evidence that the outcomes you describe are predicted in the circumstances by the humanity of the organisms involved. No racial group is known to be resilient to poor outcomes featuring high levels of dysfunction in the context of the events that has occurred over time to this group. Racial biology has nothing to do with it. Human biology, and being human does. The species constraints and propensities that lead to these extreme poor outcomes in such circumstances are the result of being human, not of being Aboriginal.

From the circumstances it is predictable that a human group would exhibit disproportionately high levels of poor outcomes and dysfunction when compared to a group not subjected to such things. That the outcomes are not universal (to ever member of the actually ethnically diverse group lumped together by the word Aboriginal), and have been observed to be readily influenced by environmental factors, is further evidence that the damage and dysfunction you are referring to is environmental rather than biologically racial in cause.



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22 Aug 2009, 2:20 am

None of us could learn anything if we did not form general principles from a limited number of instances. It is called induction and we cannot live without it.

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