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Your enthusiasm for limited options is something that should be suppressed.

As the son of upper-middle-class parents with private insurance, I can see the faults of private sector insurance as well. Only a tiny fraction of the US population actually has access to the best healthcare. Everyone else is basically screwed if something serious happens to them.


So what do you propose to do with the uninsured? Let them die? I suppose that solves the issue of overcrowding the line at the pharmacy, if that is what concerns you. And what evidence do you have that the longer lines will result in more deaths than we have with people who are currently entirely without healthcare, regardless of how long they wait? Is it impossible to attempt to recruit more physicians?

What's wrong with just rejecting this unpopular bill that changes too much and takes more away than it gives? Why doesn't the admin and congress write a bill that addresses the need for reform on a practical, rather than an ideological basis. One that gives healthcare to those not covered, while not taking it from those who are?

If healthcare is too expensive, then this bill doesn't fix that. There are ways of doing so. Bring forth a new bill that addresses tort reform and allows competition between insurance companies across state lines to lower costs. A more equitable bill that allows for individual rather than employer based insurance accounts, so people aren't disadvataged when they change jobs. A bill that requires congesspeople to be part of whatever new healthcare system they create for the rest of the American people.

Given that The House and Congress belongs to one party at the present time, if this bill is so good, they should be pushing it through. They have no one to blame but themselves for its non-passage. Blaming "the other side", whatever that may be, is a strawman. They own this bill - the ball is in their court.

That's how the public option works - since price doesn't determine distribution, eveything must be divided between all takers. So if people die on waiting lists, its helpful for those who favour socialised medicine. That, my friend, is how Canada works and it is how the British NHS works. Nice hystrionix, btw.



Not if you price them out of the market. Tort reform would go a long way towards restoring the balance. It already has in Texas.

I wonder why I found that so funny...

What are you even talking about? There is no proposal that takes away healthcare from anyone. I don't think you have a good enough grasp on just how dire the situation here really is. Many here only wish they could get on some waiting list, as observed whenever a Remote Area Medical team comes to town. This non-profit orgnaization was designed to travel outside of the US to provide basic needed medical care to people in 3rd world countries. Lately, the need has become so great here that they now primarily serve the US. Thousands and thousands wait for days, some are eventually turned away due to overcapacity. Many of those in line have insurance but cannot afford their copays and/or deductibles.

Without some sort of government competition, the racket will continue to be run by the insurance industry. Their profits will continue to come directly out of our pockets. Imagine that you were told that your taxes would be going up by 30% in order to make healthcare a profitable industry. The bonus programs for the insurance companies are structured in such a way that the fewer claims you process, the bigger your paycheck will be. There are huge incentives for employees to payout less and collect more. This is not in the best interest of our citizens. We need major reform now!

If a plebiscite were held tomorrow proposing that health care be delivered by a government agency, I suspect it would go down in flames. I think people will take monetary grants from tax revenue sources, but they will not be happy with a government run agency actually delivering health care, unless there was an opt out.

I think something like the abominable National Health Service of Britain would be soundly rejected.

Government money is always welcome. Government burocracy is not.

ruveyn

And the public option would only be intended for people who do not already have private insurance. There is no opt-out, you would have to opt-in as the default would be to not be part of the public option.

Well, the main reason it is unpopular is because of misinformation spread by various groups (*cough*Fox News*cough*) and they would do the same to any bill. On what basis do you claim this particular bill takes away more than it gives? The current bill really doesn't even do that much.


You ask foolish questions. The current bill is not proposing a single-payer system, it is not proposing socialized medicine, hell, it's not even proposing the public option for the poor that sizable majorities of the American public and of physicians support. And who does this bill take healthcare away from? No one.


Except the public option is only for people who don't have private insurance. Meaning you can pay to be moved to the front of the line, whereas currently you pay to get a spot in line.


Please. Many physicians are grossly overcompensated, they aren't going to be "priced out." There are plenty of ways we could recruit more physicians- reforming our medical school system could go a long way towards solving any shortage of physicians.

I completely agree. Perhaps some sort of student loan forgiveness program or additional grants for family practice doctors would be a good idea. So many doctors feel they must go into more lucrative specialties, like plastic surgery, just to pay off their insane student loan burden. Other prospective students avoid the field entirely because they fear they cannot afford the necessary education.

Others avoid the field because of our ass-backwards way of educating future physicians. The pre-med curriculum at the undergraduate level has precious little relevance to clinical practice. Did you know people actually go to medical school without ever having taken a single anatomy course? And yet all pre-meds must take courses like calculus and organic chemistry, the knowledge from which they will never use in their careers.

I have never been to a tea bagger event but I applaud the recent activism. Many of them don't sound well on camera but I defend their rights to express their opinions. It just upsets the statists because they don't want anyone disagreeing with them.

Sorry for Obama, but it took this election to wake people up to the immense overreaching power of the government in our social lives and the immense fraud of the Federal Reserve.


Here are some great reads for the libertarians out there:

Corporatism and Socialism in America
by Anthony Gregory
http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory64.html


http://www.reason.com/news/show/128988.html

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul381.html

http://mises.org/store/Foreign-Policy-o ... 359C0.aspx

It seems a recently convened Death Panel has voted to pull the plug on the "Public Option's" life support.

I've been reading a bit about these protests. From what I've read, it doesn't sound like the Establishment has much to worry about.

http://www.thepoliticalcesspool.org/jam ... -movement/

Uncle Tom Lloyd Marcus becomes the face of the Tea Party movement

All across America, we’ve seen literally thousands of Tea Parties, Obamacare town hall protests, and the recent march on Washington. Hundreds of thousand of people, if not millions, have come out to voice their anger at what’s going on in their country courtesy of President Rahm Emanuel and his puppet, Barack Obama. And 99% of them have been white. That’s a fact. In fact, it’s probably higher than that, like 99.99%. It’s a white movement, plain and simple. But white people have been taught to hate themselves, and so they go out of their way to recruit Uncle Tom’s for their movements, hoping the media won’t call them racists. The family values crowd enlisted “Bishop” Harry Jackson in their fight against gay marriage. And Harry Jackson promptly repaid the favor by inviting “black conservative” crackhead criminal Marion Barry to speak at a rally for traditional marriage. And who can forget Julius Caesar (JC) Watts, the darling of the conservative movement in the 1990s, simply because he was the only black Republican in Congress? After being coddled and promoted by white Republicans for years, in 2008 Watts paid them back by saying he was probably going to vote for Obama, and hinted that he thinks the GOP is “racist.” And don’t get me started on Harry Alford.

Republicans have been doing this for decades, groveling and pandering to blacks in the hope that blacks will see just “color-blind” they are, and start voting GOP. And year after year, election after election, blacks continue voting for the Democrats by a factor of at least 9-1. In 2008, it was 19-1. 95% of blacks voted for Obama. And have conservatives learned anything? Nope. Look at the tea parties for proof. Until a couple days ago, hardly anyone could name a person associated with the tea parties. They came out of a true grass roots movement, and except for the few politicians and washed up C-list celebs who latched on to them, like Chuck Norris, there wasn’t a face attached to the movement. It was truly a mass movement, that didn’t revolve around a personality.

But in the past couple days, one person has become the face of the tea parties. And surprise, surprise, it’s a black guy. Hundreds of thousands, possibly millions of people show up at tea parties, and about 7 of them are black, and now one of them has become the public face of this white movement. I wrote about Marcus a long time ago. He wrote some lame song that’s now the Tea Party Anthem, and so he was invited up on stage to play and sing for the crowd at the Orlando protest. I said that his presence was proof that the tea parties aren’t serious, and that they were going nowhere. And after his Orlando performance, he was asked to perform at a whole bunch of other “conservative” political events and protests, by stupid white people who are eager to show they’re not racist.

Never mind that’s he’s “married” to a white woman. Oh hell no, that’s no problem. Conservatives will gladly embrace their own genocide if they think the media will stop calling them racists.

But in the past few days, Lloyd Marcus has become the national symbol of the Tea Party movement. He wrote a column for the neo-con website American Thinker denouncing liberals and Democrats for, you guessed it, “racism”. (Do blacks, “conservative” or “liberal”, ever talk about anything else?) Then influential columnist (and substitute host for Rush Limbaugh) started praising him on the National Review website. More prominent “conservative” writers picked up the theme and ran with it. Here’s one. There are lots more.

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with with having an all white group of people. That doesn't automatically make them racist.

You do realize that your post is absurdly racist, right?

I mean you're not that dim that you actually buy the fake "in-denial" rhetoric of trash like that, are you?