fat BNp leader Nick "Creosote" Griffin on question

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Yeah, I love travelling but only having so much money I like to be able to sample their culture as part of our own without having to buy expensive plane tickets. And the advantage of multiculturalism is if I want to enjoy some purely 'British' culture, that option is also open to me. Are you willing to provide examples of this specifically British culture which specifically benefits from being ethnically white that I'm currently missing out upon?

Culture has a fairly wide meaning in this context, it's not specifically about pure culture as in the arts, but about a complete range of activities, customs, beliefs, attitudes etc. that are shared by a group of people. You can, for example, contrast the Pakistani Muslim with their adherence to religion, belief in subservience of women and hatred of homosexuals with the average atheist or agnostic white Brit who sees women as equal to men, and is tolerant of homosexuals. You have two contrasting sets of values there. Another one that springs to mind (and you might find it obscure, but it illustrates a point) is the attitude we have here to freshwater fishing. We're a small crowded island, and most British anglers accept the need for catch-and-release so that we can continue to enjoy our sport. Moreover, we don't have a tradition of eating freshwater fish like carp, pike, and roach (they taste like dirt). Immigrant eastern Europeans, however, do not view things like that. They've systematically destroyed many of our freshwater fisheries.

The important thing is what we are losing because of multiculturalism. In many Muslim areas the rights of women and homosexuals have been knocked back to the 19th century. In my second example, anglers in some areas can no longer enjoy the sport they did a few years ago. Furthermore, as we all know, freedom of speech has been eroded by Orwellian "hate" legislation. If you want culture in the arts sense you've always been able to go to the opera, if that's your thing, and see Die Fledermaus, or view a Van Gogh work at a gallery. And if you like a curry, you don't need a million third-world immigrants to make it for you.

Fell for your own trap. Genetics show that Celtic is not a race at all. It was a cultural meme that spread through... guess what?...multi-cultralsm. Also you clearly have a poor idea of British history if you think we are just Celtic. Thank you for proving my point.

I'm referring to the language. We have, here, spoken English or some form of Celtic (visit Wales, the Scottish Islands or even Cornwall for an example) for hundreds of years.

People involved in culture are getting on with their lives. They are not threatened by other cultures. It is not the purgative of anti-nationalists to moans about declining fantasy culture, even though they are cultured especially due to multi-culturalism. New cultures emerge all the time.

Nationalist’s idea of the past is fantasy. Take Russian ultranationalists for example, its is steeped in these legends of heroism/supernatural might, and much like the Victorian did with heavily idealised to suit the current political aims. Really there wasn't this idea of a "nation" back then, and certainly not a federated Russia. The reality was grim.


Have to laugh at this . You obviously not aware of you own posts. You must be writing them in a trance or something. You are quick to bring race into pretty much anything.

I'm sure codarac will respond in due course, but in the meantime the following contradicts your statement. Clearly, opposing the imposition of a foreign culture can potentially stop you indulging in your own:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/jan/01/arts.thefarright

Culture is not owned. You chose to participate in it. Ballet is not inherently British.

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watch this then this proves ahmdinejad is not Anti semitic.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_qXHwvwOiQ[/youtube]

Well, she did work for the English National Ballet...

Ballet was developed in France. Due to mulicultralism developed further in other countries.

Admit it you views have nothing to do with defending some culture. That is just a smoke screen.

I don't recall us having needed two million French immigrants over here to have benefited from it.

Obviously never heard of the Normans…

Richard the lionhearted was a mad duke that barely set foot in England and hated it. That didn’t stop us making a legend out of him. Saint George was Palestinian.

you have a problem with 2 million out of 61 million, and you blame 2 million for declining culture...rich

Okay, we may have been arguing at cross purposes as my opinions on values differ to those on culture. However, having to go out I'll state my opinions about values later, I'll just finish what I was saying about culture.

An obvious nationalistic composer would be Wagner. Having heard about half of the Ring Cycle, I'd say this is its best work, truly stunning:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6_ovRFVTCA[/youtube]Wagner desired to write something nationalistic, that celebrated Norse mythology and its link to Aryan people. My question is simply how much did that then improve the quality of this piece? I strongly believe Wagner drew strong inspiration from his love of Germanic culture, especially his notion of Germany as a historical entity with a clearly defined historical past and that he was contributing to the history and direction of that historical unit. On that basis, Wagner's nationalism contributed to the quality of this piece. However, with another equally sufficient source of inspiration, being a talented guy Wagner could have written something equally good. My simply claim is that diversifying that cultural environment that Wagner worked within would have provided even more sources of inspiration, introducing foreign instruments, musical techniques, even just foreign music itself, all that would have lead to Wagner having so much more to borrow from and inspire when formulate his ideas. By far the best way to introduce such things into a culture is having members of foreign cultures come and live here.

Culturally, diversity creates challenge and competition which then leads to those involved having to produce better work. Diversity basically makes a more dynamic and innovative culture. That is certainly true for arts, hence I like multiculturalism, will comment on values later.

Aryan=Iranian. Not Norse. Another example of using borrowed and invented history to prop up a nationalist regime.