For 2012 if it were: Obama vs Palin?

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To throw the nonbiased source thing right back in your court, isn't Politifact tied to George Soros...

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/healthcar ... panels.htm

http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/euthanasia.asp

http://factcheck.org/2009/08/palin-vs-o ... th-panels/

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=8298267&page=1

http://mediamatters.org/research/200911130002#6

Mediamatters goes on to list 40+ more sources on how the death panels were false rumors. Some of which I already posted.
http://mediamatters.org/research/200908150001

The truth of the matter was that it was about medicare providing coverage for seniors to discuss with their own doctors what kind of care they wanted in later life. It was never about deciding life or death, or having Obama or the federal government decide such for someone. Sarah Palin calling these "death panels" was nothing short of a complete misrepresentation of that part of the bill, plain fear mongering and stirring up drama. Conservative media latched onto this and parroted the falsehood without explaining exactly what it really is.

So again, provide some evidence that such "death panels" are real and that Obama will decide who lives or dies.

All of your sources thus far at first glance have credibility issues. US Government's credibility is in question because they are the accused. Never heard of snopes but both Factcheck.org and Mediamatters are funded by George Soros.


Well first we look at Palin's claim:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 86024.html


Also:

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/08/09/de ... th-panels/

And I know Ms. Malkin is right wing just look at the explanation with an open mind before just trashing it.

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/20 ... ath-panel/

There are some links in the article that are of interest assuming they are still active.

The problem is Journalism is pretty much dead in the United States. I consider Bill Clinton saying he didn't have sex with that woman more credible than the 'news' agencies you are sourcing. And I imagine the feeling is likewise on your end.

Both those articles try to compare the US Healthcare Reform to the British NHS, and most notably only focus on it's flaws. I cannot know for certain whether the stories they present are true or not, but they speak mainly of elder abuse. I fail to see what connection the article writers are trying to make between NHS elder abuse and the Reform Bill. At best they are blatantly assuming such things will come to pass with no way of knowing. I call that a slippery slope fallacy. But... that has nothing to do with the death panels that Palin speaks of.

Both articles source an ethics study that was part of Obama's panel on finding cost saving measures in health care(which I might add was done mainly in reaction to criticism of the costs of health care reform). The ethics study was just that, a study. It was exploring and debating how to deal with limited medical resources in a cost saving structure. yes, they do talk about rationing medical supplies and debate the pros and cons of each method of doing so and even determining the ethics of such practices. In their conclusion, they admit there are ethical problems with many of the options, yet these rationing options would at best only be employed in extreme situations such as a pandemic.

Claiming that to be a death panel is just unfair. It was reasonable study to answer some serious, realistic concerns about the delivery of medical services and the costs of such.

Again, that wasn't about Palin's original death panels remarks as she was speaking about the end of life counseling sessions that would be paid for by medicare that was supposed to be in the bill. Yes, the provision got removed because people preferred to believe falsehoods over reading the text themselves and it was so marred to be politically unrecoverable.

Actually it could legitimately be called death panels because of individuals like her son would not have a family member present. People with her son's disability can be extremely gullible will listen to 'authority figures' such as doctors and teachers where someone like you or I would know they're trying to steer us into a situation that would hurt or even kill us.

And you left out the thing concerning cost/benefit analysis on treatment programs (which is what Palin was actually talking about). Though both are ripe with potential for abuse.