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17 Dec 2009, 12:58 pm

Just incase anyone forgot, I'm the OP, anyway, actually I think we should arm the palestinians with better weapons so they don't have to resolve to terror attacks when "defending themselves."

This claim of "defending themselves" may sound ludicrous, but you have to remember that the rocket attacks are at a maximum whenever Israel starts bombing Gaza and invading them.

Besides, this may actually prevent war because Israel won't have much reason to go to war (because of lack of terrorism) and Palestinians won't feel as threatened by the giant Israeli war machine so they are less likely to attack.

I think this uneven military power is actually causing war. I mean Obama and others are pushing for a two state solution so Palestinians will need to eventually be armed anyway. Netanyahu said that any Palestinian State shall be unarmed but I say screw that!



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20 Dec 2009, 9:09 am

There's no logic to your suggestion at all, you seem to be ignoring the reality of the groups who are fighting Israel. Hamas' ideology is based on fighting Israel until it is destroyed. They're not fighting because they don't have very good weapons, they're fighting because they don't want Israel to exist. Give them better weapons? That will only increase the amount of civilians they kill.



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20 Dec 2009, 9:27 pm

I believe that Israel invades and bombs Gaza in response to- the rocket attacks.

However- the rocket attacks- as I understand it- are provoked by Israel expanding its settlements in occupied terrotories.

If someone were building a house in my backyard I would attack em with a tire iron.
I would do the same to someone lobbing rockets at my house.

So both parties act pretty much the way I would act if I were in their shoes.

Your conetention is that the Palestinian tactics like rockets are essentially "asymetrical warfare".
Make the war symetrical and you would have less warfare.

That may not be as crazy as it sounds.

If the Palestinians had a conventional standing army the Palestinian state could enforce it
boundries on the West Bank and forbid Israel from building more settlements.

Since settlements are the main provocation for terrorism- you would have less terrorism.

therefore eliminating the reasons for Isreali retaliatory attacks against Gaza. Therefore a break in the cycle of violence.

Might work.



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20 Dec 2009, 11:14 pm

Settlements are not the main provocation for terrorism coming from Gaza, the terrorism from Gaza is coming from groups who want to destroy Israel whether it stops settlements in the West Bank or not. If they stopped settlements in the West Bank it would only embolden the terrorists more, and the West Bank could possibly turn into another Gaza.



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21 Dec 2009, 12:55 am

Anyone who opposes Israel's right to exist is an anti-Semite, and thus, a bigot. Liberals can be bigots, too, contrary to popular opinion.


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21 Dec 2009, 1:30 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
Anyone who opposes Israel's right to exist is an anti-Semite, and thus, a bigot. Liberals can be bigots, too, contrary to popular opinion.


There is no excuse for ignorant name calling when the history of the nature of Zionism is readily available and the nature of the policies now in operation to extend the territory of Israel is open and declared illegal by the USA and other western countries. I would recommend a bit of research before wildly flinging accusations of bigotry.



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05 Jan 2010, 5:54 pm

I don't think that is a good idea, I would hate to see Israel get wiped off the face of the earth. Wars are bad, but I still think that they have a right to defend themselves against the enemy.


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05 Jan 2010, 8:28 pm

LiberalJustice wrote:
I don't think that is a good idea, I would hate to see Israel get wiped off the face of the earth. Wars are bad, but I still think that they have a right to defend themselves against the enemy.


I am not particularly fascinated by the concept of the re-enactment of the holocaust but to see what Israel is doing in Gaza and how they have become what can only be labeled as a racist anti-Arab society and describe that as self defense is to misconceive history and current events in the most bizarre and gross manner.Anyone so inclined is abysmally ignorant and misinformed.

See http://www.counterpunch.org/hijab01052010.html



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05 Jan 2010, 8:35 pm

Disarm Cuba!



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05 Jan 2010, 10:12 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Disarm Cuba!


This persistent denial of being a parakeet is really becoming rather transparent.



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05 Jan 2010, 10:38 pm

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Disarm Cuba!

Only if we first normalize US-Cuba relations and guarantee protection for Cuba against potential aggressors.


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05 Jan 2010, 11:01 pm

ruveyn wrote:
jc6chan wrote:
I got an idea that might not neccessarily solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict but would defenitely save many lives.
Disarm Israel. Think about it, if Israel disarms, there's bound to be Jews who would start arming themselves but there wouldn't be an actually strong military force. Both sides would probably start shooting rockets at each other and stuff, but the number of people who get killed would be nothing commpared to the number of people killed by the current Israeli war machine.


Disarm Israel???? You and what God?

The only way to disarm Israel is to obliterate it. Fortunately the Jewish people are dispersed and eventually a new State of Israel will be founded sometime in the future.

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Hmmm what land do you suggest they forcebly occupy this time?



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05 Jan 2010, 11:14 pm

ilivinamushroom wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
jc6chan wrote:
I got an idea that might not neccessarily solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict but would defenitely save many lives.
Disarm Israel. Think about it, if Israel disarms, there's bound to be Jews who would start arming themselves but there wouldn't be an actually strong military force. Both sides would probably start shooting rockets at each other and stuff, but the number of people who get killed would be nothing commpared to the number of people killed by the current Israeli war machine.


Disarm Israel???? You and what God?

The only way to disarm Israel is to obliterate it. Fortunately the Jewish people are dispersed and eventually a new State of Israel will be founded sometime in the future.

ruveyn


Hmmm what land do you suggest they forcebly occupy this time?


Since ruveyn lives in New Jersey that seems a reasonable area. It is not too different from the area of Israel and close to the Manhattan Lower East Side where at least a bit of the wonderful old Jewish culture might still remain. A revival of that would certainly be of more benefit to Jewish culture and to culture in general than the vicious environment now predominant in the Middle East.



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06 Jan 2010, 1:06 am

Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Disarm Cuba!


This persistent denial of being a parakeet is really becoming rather transparent.


That silicon dioxide could write this by itself is incredulous, therefore you are most likely a pernicious liar.



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06 Jan 2010, 1:49 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Disarm Cuba!


This persistent denial of being a parakeet is really becoming rather transparent.


That silicon dioxide could write this by itself is incredulous, therefore you are most likely a pernicious liar.


There is very little wisdom in bird talk.



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06 Jan 2010, 1:53 am

Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Disarm Cuba!


This persistent denial of being a parakeet is really becoming rather transparent.


That silicon dioxide could write this by itself is incredulous, therefore you are most likely a pernicious liar.


There is very little wisdom in bird talk.


I'm sorry you can't read English, would you prefer Spanish or Latin?