Is the United Kingdom no longer a sovereign state?

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13 Dec 2009, 1:43 am

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Whatever words or definitions I might use, the very thing I am talking about is happening right here ... and I do not say that as a complaint. If pluralism is a good thing with room for everyone who does not threaten anyone's "life, liberty or pursuit of happiness", then show it to me here and now.

My frustration isn't even so much with your views (I can hardly tell what they are). My main annoyance right now is that you are either incapable or unwilling to communicate anything in a remotely coherent manner.

And by the way, pluralism doesn't necessitate being polite to crackpots or paranoid nutbags. I can very well grill you on what exactly you mean and ask you to substantiate your wild claims. By the way, I note you have yet to respond to a single one of my requests for more specific information, or even some supporting facts.


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13 Dec 2009, 8:30 am

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I note you have yet to respond to a single one of my requests for more specific information, or even some supporting facts.


As I have said, I do not come here to debate, argue, etc. Show me some reason to believe you would like to have some friendly conversation wherein either or both of us might learn something and I will gladly participate!


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13 Dec 2009, 1:34 pm

leejosepho wrote:
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I note you have yet to respond to a single one of my requests for more specific information, or even some supporting facts.


As I have said, I do not come here to debate, argue, etc. Show me some reason to believe you would like to have some friendly conversation wherein either or both of us might learn something and I will gladly participate!

You started the topic, I asked you to clarify what you meant in some comments. Why else would you post on here if not to discuss what you posted?


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13 Dec 2009, 8:58 pm

Okay, looks like I need to repost this, for those who skimmed earlier...

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In Latin of the back of the American dollar is a statement along the line of "announcing the birth of a new world order"...

What, you mean "Novus Ordo Seclorum", on the Great Seal of the United States? It's a quote from a poem by Virgil, usually translated as "a mighty series [or great order] of Ages is born anew". This is obviously intended to refer to the number carved into the bottom of the unfinished pyramid above, 1776, marking the official birth of the United States (I think the significance of the pyramid being unfinished needs little explanation).

Note that "seclorum" is a poetic form, the actual word being "seculorum" - it was common for Roman poets to omit one of the vowels in order to make a word fit its poetic meter. Note further that "seculorum" is a plural, meaning "ages" - "New World Order" would not translate into Latin as "Novus Ordo Seculorum" (in fact, according to the translation program I just referenced, that would be "Novus Universitas Ordo").

As for "Annuit Coeptis", that's even worse - that's not even a coherent phrase in Latin. Reportedly, the designer was reaching for a sense that a new beginning was being smiled upon by Providence, without including any actual religious references (per client request), so he reached into his flawed knowledge of church Latin and came up with those words.

Look, I'm sorry, but no matter how many paranoid conspiracy theorists parade their flawed views of reality across your internet searches, there simply is no One World Conspiracy trying to make us all into nice little imperial droids. Or, if there is, it's apparently managed to keep itself concealed for better than two centuries - which would make it far more efficient than any other method of governance yet devised, so maybe surrender would be the better option... :)

(Oh, on a side note - why exactly is a one-world government a bad thing? That seems to be an axiom of every One-World conspiracy theory I've heard so far, but no one seems willing to explain what the problem is.)


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13 Dec 2009, 10:02 pm

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Why else would you post on here if not to discuss what you posted?


Why do you ask?

In any case, I am only interested in friendly discussion that does not include talking about me or you or about anyone or anything other than the topic. I know what it is to be ripped, trashed, belittled, etc., etc., and I simply no longer participate in anything along that line.


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14 Dec 2009, 1:02 am

leejosepho wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Why else would you post on here if not to discuss what you posted?


Why do you ask?

In any case, I am only interested in friendly discussion that does not include talking about me or you or about anyone or anything other than the topic. I know what it is to be ripped, trashed, belittled, etc., etc., and I simply no longer participate in anything along that line.

I asked you about the content of what you posted. I didn't say anything about you until after a couple pages of your incomprehensible nonsense.


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14 Dec 2009, 4:24 pm

Orwell wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Why else would you post on here if not to discuss what you posted?


Why do you ask?

In any case, I am only interested in friendly discussion that does not include talking about me or you or about anyone or anything other than the topic. I know what it is to be ripped, trashed, belittled, etc., etc., and I simply no longer participate in anything along that line.

I asked you about the content of what you posted. I didn't say anything about you until after a couple pages of your incomprehensible nonsense.


Deconstructing Lee topic

I just reread the posts here to figure out what is going on. I must say I was myself a tad frustrated by where this thread is going. I have encountered nebulousity before. But in Lee's case, I do not think he is intentionally doing it to provoke.

This thread looks like two Aspies on different pages. I am biased in that I prefer the way Orwell analyzes and debates. Lee is bouncing around ideas rather than trying to really prove anything. This I discern solely from the content of his posts here, and no, I am not reading between the lines because I am unable to.

As for sovereignty, Quebec has wanted this for many years. And as I age and move into the future, I doubt any nation will ever be sovereign (in the general historical sense) again.

Next topic. :roll:


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14 Dec 2009, 6:47 pm

Notice how Quebec gets treated when it does not cooperate with the federal government currently in place (that is currently, mister Harper), we get called names =.= . It is also a matter of dissonance in what the federal government (which wants to represent us in foreign countries) does and what Quebec does, especially regarding environmental issues where we have been known to be bolder than our federal counterpart.

As for myself, i wouldn't care either way if we became sovereign or stayed within Canada, status quo on that =/ .



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14 Dec 2009, 7:55 pm

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Notice how Quebec gets treated when it does not cooperate with the federal government currently in place (that is currently, mister Harper), we get called names =.= . It is also a matter of dissonance in what the federal government (which wants to represent us in foreign countries) does and what Quebec does, especially regarding environmental issues where we have been known to be bolder than our federal counterpart.

As for myself, i wouldn't care either way if we became sovereign or stayed within Canada, status quo on that =/ .


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Now look what I gone and done. Opened a Harper's nest. :roll:


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14 Dec 2009, 11:32 pm

At least i'm talking philosophy in PPR. As was intended. ><



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18 Dec 2009, 1:31 am

My Dad was a high ranking Freemason, and my family had a long history of Masonry. And all high ranking Masons.

Masonic lodges are just charity organisations. The secrecy is only to hide their charitable works. My father left out of boredom.

NWO theories are true, in my opinion. There is something behind the creation of a single nation for the world. Some people say Masons are behind it. Others say Jewish bankers. Others mention the Illuminati. Some believe Neo-Nazis are behind it. Other believe aliens. I believe that a divine force it behind it, unlike the others. And in my opinion, a NWO is not a bad thing. It is for humanity to enter a state of perpetual bliss and prosperity.



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18 Dec 2009, 2:43 am

Khan_Sama wrote:
My Dad was a high ranking Freemason, and my family had a long history of Masonry. And all high ranking Masons.

Masonic lodges are just charity organisations. The secrecy is only to hide their charitable works. My father left out of boredom.

NWO theories are true, in my opinion. There is something behind the creation of a single nation for the world. Some people say Masons are behind it. Others say Jewish bankers. Others mention the Illuminati. Some believe Neo-Nazis are behind it. Other believe aliens. I believe that a divine force it behind it, unlike the others. And in my opinion, a NWO is not a bad thing. It is for humanity to enter a state of perpetual bliss and prosperity.


I wouldn't mind a bit of prosperity but I can do without the perpetual bliss.



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19 Dec 2009, 7:59 am

Everyone's entitled to their own views. I find myself being extremely optimistic these days. :)



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19 Dec 2009, 10:12 am

Khan_Sama wrote:
And in my opinion, a NWO is not a bad thing. It is for humanity to enter a state of perpetual bliss and prosperity.


Any movement that would leave very few ruling and exploiting the Many is just plain bad. It is also futile. No one has the capability of ruling the world. It would be like herding squirrels.

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