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Well, we would have to kill literally everyone, including all Americans, to do away with terrorism. Remember Joe Stack and Timothy McVeigh. Anyone can be a terrorist. The only way to stop terrorism would be the extinction of the human species.

List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2010

The whole world was against the War in Iraq. It's not the people and the countries who have the power. If Israel fought with maximum firepower they would destroy Gaza, and would get destroyed themselves. They can't, and I'm glad they can't. Israel has a lot of power in relation to other western countries, perhaps. But people didn't speak out much louder against Russia when they attacked Georgia (not a fan of Russian government either).

People are so blind it's amazing. I hate the IDF actions, I feel sorry for Palestinians and don't support the last wars, but trying to paint a picture where our life is peaceful is ridiculous.

Seriously, I know arabs who justfuly hate the Israeli goverment, they can teach why it is an atrocity, using none of the fairy tales you wrote here.

This land wasn't stolen from anyone. Israel done crimes, the arabs done crimes, it's a crazy death circle. Now we are the ones on top. Not such a pleasure, believe me.

I suppose you don't feel the same way I do, because that was an opinion of mines. The way history books denote, can't be said for the way I feel.


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To anyone who has any doubt about as to what really goes on... PLEASE WATCH THIS DOCUMENTARY...

http://freeviewdocumentaries.com/2010/03/05/dispatches-the-killing-zone/#more-1548

If you are not filled with tears, you are not human.
How can anyone let this continue???? How can any country support this???

Again I urge one and all to watch the above documentary. If you do/have watch(ed) it, please let me know your thoughts.

The problem is you see one side. You don't understand the Israeli one.

Again, I don't support the IDF, I didn't serve there as opposed to most people I know, I hate it.
But you see just one side of the picture. Just because Israel is on top right now, doesn't mean the people don't fear, and don't suffer.

As said, it's a crazy hate and death circle that has to be stopped. But no side is wrong for fearing the others. When we go to funerals our tears are just as real.

You don't have to convince me that the Palestinians suffer. I tell that to my people, trust me. I don't justify Israeli actions. But I understand where they come from, you don't, that's the difference. No one is motivated by hatred, just fear that has to be stopped once and for all.

Ok explain to me the Israeli side. To me I can't but see this as anything but pure hatred. And I'll tell you why. The IDF and Hamas. The gulf in what the two militias have is massive. You can't even compare the two. One has missiles, the other sides have snipers, bulldozers, helicopters, fighter jets, and all types of weaponry. It's like a child fighting a body builder. It's a total mismatch.

You say the people fear and suffer. Are you talking of the Israelis? If so, this does not surprise me. Even though I completely oppose US policy, I do not hate Americans. But the American public need to wake up to the fact that their government is abusing it's power. It's the same for Israeli's. I know there are many who oppose what the IDF does, but if the people don't speak up, those in power can do whatever they wish.

You are right I only see one side, and I'll tell you why. Ask any Joe Public American or European as to what is happening in the Middle East. They'll say the Jews and Muslims hate one another. They will think that both armies are equal in power. They will not realise how much the Palestinians suffer. Gazans don't bulldoze Israeli houses. They literally live in a cage. Now don't get me wrong both Palestinians and Israelis need to do whats right in order to have peace. People in the west are fed by media propaganda machines. If they were to see the documentary I posted , they would be shocked. And that is a fact.

I commend you for feeling for the Palestinians. You say, Israelis are also living in fear. Is that the fear of being kicked out of a land they occupied themselves by booting out the Palestinians? The main thing here is that all this fear and hate and war which has taken too many Jews, Muslims, Christian lives is because Israel was formed in the first place. There is no way peace can be achieved. I wish just as you do that Israelis and Palestinians could live in peace and harmony. The irony being that both these people are so similar to one another.

Explain your side as I would love to learn more.

Unfortunately, land was stolen, and ironically, the United States has been supporting what it would describe everywhere else as a manifestation of Evil Communism. That is, the Israelis systematically seizes privately-owned land... the State then has it managed by what it calls an international charity, so it is tax exempt(!) in the United States. This is a racist organisation called the Jewish National Fund, as it is committed that the land under its control is to be for the use of Jews and Jews only.

Did you know that the Israelis have planted pine trees, not indigenous to the land, in order to better hide the ruins of the villages they destroyed in 1947 and 1948? As evergreens, they are never bared to reveal the evil truth.

In 1920, Jews were a mere 10% of the population of Palestine. Ethnic re-engineering is what created Israel. This involved depopulating and destroying villages, forcing people off the land, and forcing them even into the sea as they did in Jaffa when they forced people from there... those people had to land in Gaza, jammed as it is with refugees. The Israelis know this, they know this original sin, and they live in fear of reckoning. What they seem to forget is that despite the circumstances of its sinful creation, many other places had similar circumstances of creation, and in time the new people as they are, despite their aggressive invasion, were able to become a part of the region, a part of the land, living with the indigenous population. This is why Israel should abandon aggressive Zionism and replace it with a more peaceful form of consolidation that in time could even include an Arab identity as well as a Jewish one. Otherwise, they will remain a sort of transplant rejected by the body.

When your history is a genocide, and your present is terrorism and violence, you tend to fear. I lived many years seeing just the Israeli one. I see the other side now. I still understand why people are afraid. People don't want to hate, but it's not so easy living here. Yes, living in Gaza is worse. Still, I wouldn't want my kids growing up here. When every family has a dead relative because of war - yes, we suffer, trust me.


I try to deliver my message - but trust me, it's very easy to say. Speaking up against the consensus isn't so simple. I know people who served in the military, and today speak against it. It's not so easy to see things the other way and to speak against the mainstream when you're young and when you're afraid.

It's very easy to sit in your home and criticise people for being silent. It's a bit more difficult when it comes to real life - that being said as someone who has to deal with it.


My European friends say they see the suffering of the Palestinians. Don't know about the American people.

Now, with all do respect - were you afraid to get out of your house for 4 years?
Living in Gaza is hell, that does not mean that living in Israel is heaven.


People in Israel are angry because they had no home for years, were blamed for whatever they do, and now this continues. So even when they are wrong, the fear haunts them.

We came to this land when we had no home. My grandparents escaped the holocaust. The majority of Jewish people, as much as I know, were disagreed on whether to have two different states, or a state with two nations. The people who wanted to kick the arabs and to own the whole land were a hated minority. My grandfather (who is a socialist, non-racist, and supports two nations and arab rights) was in the Haganah, they hated the fascist organisations, that had no impact. They even fought against them at times.

People lack to understand that even if we wanted to kick all arabs out, it wan't realistic. Both the 1948 and 1967 surprised us, we were sure we are going to lose. So some people were peaceful as my grandfather, out of ideology, and even the racist ones accepted an arab state.

I don't see anything wrong with people settling here, I'm sorry. I also don't see a problem with Israel occupying the territories at the time when its existence was in question. I do see a problem holding it permanently. Gaza needs to be freed, no question. But you seem to lack the history of this hatred. Jews didn't start it, fanatic muslims did. I'm not even sure they had any majority.

Plus, saying Jews and Arabs are similar is kind of a myth.
Jews are similar to each other in some respects, but they're only similar to arabs if they come from arab countries. Of course, today Israelis have arab influence - so do arab people who live here and speak some Hebrew as slang.

Xenon13 - you just forgot to mention that right now I'm drinking the blood of Palestinian kids.

The supreme court says Arabs can live in JNF lands. If the JNF doesn't let them, we (Israeli left) will fight it, while you will continue being very brave about writing in the internet.

I will be very happy if you can inform me of hidden ruined villages. Every Israeli person today knows that North Tel-Aviv was an arab village, in my town there is an area that's named after the arab village that was there. Nothing is hidden. If something is hidden, it has to be fixed. But fact is, even ruined villaged are known to people. Perhaps not enough, but people still refer to areas in the names of past villages.

Once more, Israel has done many crimes, the government continues crimes today - you and your likes are the ones responsible for it, in some way. You spread ridiculous lies, so how can you expect people to take you seriously? You are the reason why when I confront right-wing Israelis, I find out that most of them think everyone hates them beacuse of lies, like you do.

You are free to inform people of reality and of Israeli attrocities - by writing nonsense you're only making things worse, actually. Forcing people into the sea? Do me a favour. If you want, I can count many crimes done by Israel. Your fairytales aren't some of them.

I can full-heartedly say that in my short life I did much more to promote peace than all the brave keyboard fighters did. You shout at people far away from you, I live with them and point them out the truth. Some of them I convinced. How many people have you convinced by writing myths about foreign lands?

I just find it funny when people speak out againt crimes done in other places, shutting their mouths when it's their home. There are more Israelis that fight the occupation than English people who fight imperialism in Scotland. When you tell the military officer that you prefer killing yourself than serving in the army, feel free to criticise me. I was there, you weren't - right now I just see that you're spitting hatred and myths, while I confront the reality. Not a pleasure, but it's more than what you do.

Socialist Jews fighting fascist ones:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altalena_Affair

Israeli reaction to Sabra & Shatila:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_ ... estigation

Not even talking about massive demonstrations telling the government to get out of Gaza.
You can support our left, and you can say that we are all the right-wing, killing our left.
I want peace, my arab friends want peace, you're disturbing us. That's the truth. They fight the ignorance of arabs who believe in those fairytales, while they fully hate the government, just as I fight Israeli ignorance. You're standing in the way, you're not promoting any peace.

Firstly Omerick I thank you for taking this debate seriously. If you have read some of the previous posts, it's clear that some people will just not accept any blame on their people. They use sarcasm as a way of dodging the issues. It's mere collateral damage and Israel and the US are completely without fault. I know you do feel for the Palestinians which is more that can be said for some others on this website. The Palestinians are automatically wrong, because they are Muslims and/or Arabs. They associate no blame to any leaders of their own. That's why I take the side of The Palestinians. Because most peoples minds are already made up. If they were to see that documentary, they would at least get a lesson in knowing that the Palestinians are not just a bunch of "pissed off Muslims" living with the sole purpose of killing every Jew and Israeli in sight.

I must admit I do not know much in the way of the lives of ordinary Israeli citizens. I'm sure living in the environment you do, must be difficult. There is a solution, but it would require both sides to concede too much, and I think we both know that wont happen. It's a pity.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you on that. What happened in WW2, was terrible beyond any definition. But why should the Palestinians suffer? They played no role in the Holocaust. What people don't understand is that if you don't take away the rights of people they won't become fanatic in the first place. Like Mr Bush and his "war on terror". Isn't it just going to cause more hatred for the US?

Yes, I know it's easy for me to say that people should make more of an effort to fight for what is right. I'm sure this can't be easy. But as you can see, both your people and the Palestinians want peace. It's those in power who are not content in everyone having a piece of the pie. It's all or nothing for them.

I have seen and i know there exists lots of Israeli and Palestinians for peace movements (one i know of is called PAJU but that's the french acronym). From what i've seen, a fraction of the Israeli population is not content with what is going on as well. It's mostly the group representing the settlers and those that promote them that are provoking such havoc in the region.

Here's another Documentary to watch....

It deals with the so called war on terror

click here