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26 Mar 2010, 10:41 pm

I don't think Ruveyn is disputing that global temperatures are rising, rather I think he remains unconvinced that the cause is human activity. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong Ruveyn.

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26 Mar 2010, 10:44 pm

Dox47 wrote:

I don't think Ruveyn is disputing that global temperatures are rising, rather I think he remains unconvinced that the cause is human activity. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong Ruveyn.

You may be right but the course of action he is enthusiastic about is ignoring the consequences of trying to do something about it because it might inconvenience him.

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26 Mar 2010, 10:46 pm

He seems to be claiming that we can't analyze climate change because it is a highly nonlinear (chaotic) system. Of course, such a position would have to ignore the fact that I've spent a good portion of this last semester analyzing such systems, and I'm only an undergraduate student.

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27 Mar 2010, 5:14 pm

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The line between satire and the irrationality of the religious ultra-right is very fine at the best of times.

Some of Tina Fey's comedy came verbatim directly from the mouth of Sarah Palin.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE2gE-VVjBI[/youtube]

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27 Mar 2010, 7:21 pm

pandabear wrote:

Master_Pedant wrote:

The line between satire and the irrationality of the religious ultra-right is very fine at the best of times.

Some of Tina Fey's comedy came verbatim directly from the mouth of Sarah Palin.

I like the side-by-side of the two. It really is fairly difficult to tell the difference between the two clips, and yet one is real and the other parody.

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27 Mar 2010, 11:00 pm

I was home schooled until the 9th grade and I hadn't heard of "conservapedia" until this thread.

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29 Mar 2010, 7:08 am

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They also claim to be unbiased and more reliable than Wikipedia. :lol:

"Unlike most writers, Orwell's greatest works came late in his life."

How very unbiased indeed!

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29 Mar 2010, 8:25 am

This looks like a great resource for homeschooled kids. Even the younger ones will be able to grasp the concept of author bias portrayed. Very instructive to develop their critical reading skills.

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29 Mar 2010, 9:28 am

Well, yes. But you have to remember--this is the United States. We have huge numbers of dumb people who even take Rush Limbaugh seriously.

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29 Mar 2010, 9:32 am

pandabear wrote:

Well, yes. But you have to remember--this is the United States. We have huge numbers of dumb people who even take Rush Limbaugh seriously.

Or even that Limbaugh is an "average Joe".

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30 Mar 2010, 1:19 am

pandabear wrote:

Well, yes. But you have to remember--this is the United States. We have huge numbers of dumb people who even take Rush Limbaugh seriously.

I am not really in a position to make any judgment regarding US people.
But I suppose that in the end of the day it is like all education.
What really matters is the quality of the educator.
In the case of homeschooling the educator is the parent so a lot depends on that parent.

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30 Mar 2010, 1:29 am

astaut wrote:

I was home schooled until the 9th grade and I hadn't heard of "conservapedia" until this thread.

Except for a couple months of experience in government high school, I've been homeschooled k-12+, and I'd only heard of conservapedia from WP also.

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30 Mar 2010, 7:37 am

[quote="Sand"]

Whatever the mathematical basis for the analysis anyone who doubts that the ice at the poles is melting or that the life patterns of large numbers of wild creatures is radically changing or that sea level is rising or that global temperatures are rising or that methane from tundras is increasingly emitted and cannot see the raw measurements is a damned fool whatever his technical expertise. See http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 101117.htm[/quote

As it did during the Medieval Warming period, when Greenland was Green. The ice at the poles has melted long before the Industrial Revolution. It melted during the eruption of the Siberian and Deccan traps. In this previous instances, the melting was not brought about by human activity. Because there can be natural non-human causes for warming, it behooves the climate mavens to show the current warming trend is NOT due primarily to natural causes. This has not been done. When they systematically eliminate natural causes then it could be asserted that human activity is the main driver of the current warming trend. Until then, the matter remains to be resolved.

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30 Mar 2010, 8:07 am

ruveyn wrote:

Sand wrote:

Whatever the mathematical basis for the analysis anyone who doubts that the ice at the poles is melting or that the life patterns of large numbers of wild creatures is radically changing or that sea level is rising or that global temperatures are rising or that methane from tundras is increasingly emitted and cannot see the raw measurements is a damned fool whatever his technical expertise. See http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 101117.htm[/quote

As it did during the Medieval Warming period, when Greenland was Green. The ice at the poles has melted long before the Industrial Revolution. It melted during the eruption of the Siberian and Deccan traps. In this previous instances, the melting was not brought about by human activity. Because there can be natural non-human causes for warming, it behooves the climate mavens to show the current warming trend is NOT due primarily to natural causes. This has not been done. When they systematically eliminate natural causes then it could be asserted that human activity is the main driver of the current warming trend. Until then, the matter remains to be resolved.

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And so to satisfy your conditions all human activity must stop to permit proper analysis of the situation.

See http://blog.sustainablog.org/the-top-ca ... -or-human/

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30 Mar 2010, 8:19 am

Sand wrote:

And so to satisfy your conditions all human activity must stop to permit proper analysis of the situation.

See http://blog.sustainablog.org/the-top-ca ... -or-human/

Not at all. One can do a physical analysis of all the causal factors and see which are the dominant factors. It is called science. As opposed to statistical correlation models which are sold as science by the IPCC.

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30 Mar 2010, 8:23 am

ruveyn wrote:

Sand wrote:

And so to satisfy your conditions all human activity must stop to permit proper analysis of the situation.

See http://blog.sustainablog.org/the-top-ca ... -or-human/

And you claim that statistics are totally divorced from scientific endeavor.

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