Atheists - Check Mate!

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Ok, but once again, being a self-proclaimed agnostic on all things is rather ridiculous. I am not "agnostic" on the existence of the past. I am not "agnostic" on the notion that 1+1=2. I mean, I certainly cannot eliminate all doubts, but calling that agnosticism is rather ridiculous.

To talk about the "last few centimeters"? Honestly, they don't count. I mean, you have to recognize that nobody counts the last few centimeters, and even the self-proclaimed atheists of today don't count them. This includes Richard Dawkins who did point out those last few centimeters and proclaimed that it was insane for anybody on either side to claim to have crossed them, and the man is an outspoken modern atheist.


Well, right, but you can't separate physical facts from metaphysical facts. The scientific method makes assumptions, and these assumptions are dramatically undercut by the notion of the universe emerging 5 minutes ago.

The problem is that a very large number of people are idiots and do believe things that are demonstrably false. Why waste time entertaining their nonsense? If someone claims something crazy, they are not equally justified in considering you an idiot for disagreeing. They are the ones making absurd claims.

Right, but.... Orwell was attacking that distinction. He said "absence of evidence IS evidence of absence". This means that you didn't "nullify him" you didn't accept his argument.


I don't deny that it is evidence, but it is very poor evidence, and evidence of a nature that could arguably be turned against the God belief entirely if used in an effort to argue that most theistic evidence is really just a matter of culture.


My whole point isn't that I claim everybody is an idiot, only that personal opinions don't trump reasons. If a person has no evidence, or discredited evidence, or something else, then their position isn't very valuable, and might even be reduced to valuelessness.

Finally we can get back to agreeing on some issues. The medical cover up one is interesting though, as my initial thought was 'yep AngelRho is probably correct' then as I thought about it it seemed less and less so, I think there has been some bad mistakes and decisions made by the medical fraternity but cover ups, I dont think so.

And yet many people believe that the creator of the universe and all that is within it impregnated his semen into the body of a virgin who then gave birth to this creator in the form of his son and on it goes, personally I think your Elvis story has more credibility. So why is it that so many people who can readily accept your elvis story as ridiculous and yet believe the virgin birth and the trinity

I don't know about cover ups in the spirit of evil NWO kinds of conspiracy theories. But bad mistakes and decisions? No doubt.

Take Fen-phen, for instance. A few people developed heart-valve problems and attorneys descended on Wyeth, and we're talking about billions of dollars in damages.

Before my wife and I decided to have children, she used the birth control patch. If you know anything about it, it uses a large dose of the BC hormone. It's great because you don't have to worry about forgetting to use it, which is a risk when using he pill. So some time about three years ago there were reports that the amount hormone in the patch created the risk of heart problems. Last I checked, there's a similar risk with the pill, which increases with smoking (we don't smoke)--a known risk for a long time. Within days of hearing that on the news, I started noticing lawyer advertisements for class actions against the manufacturers of the patch. More recently I've seen similar ads against Nuva-Ring. So why go against the Patch and the Ring? Why not go against the Pill also? Is the medical community doing something RIGHT with the Pill that they haven't done with other methods (which are actually more effective)? Or is it simply an invention of the legal community?

What about case against varicella vaccinations? Same thing? Different?

I'll never forget the collective screaming of "WHY???" after it was indeed discovered that vaccinations conclusively do NOT cause autism. Everyone wants a scapegoat. And part of me wonders, every time I hear about some other problem with some other weight loss drug, birth control, or vaccine, I have to wonder what these people are really up to.

Yeah, it's pretty unlikely. Researchers love to prove each other wrong, and when a large number of independent labs uniformly get the same results, there is little reason to distrust them. Remember, the "medical establishment" (and even the pharmaceutical industry) is not a monolith. It is composed of many independent and often competing groups and individuals. This helps keep everyone honest, because if you're wrong you get blasted for it very, very harshly.

The same mistake from multiple independent sources is highly unlikely, though.


Legal community. Pharmaceutical companies are held to extremely high standards. If all industries had such strict safety regulations, you would never be able to eat a cheeseburger or drive a car.


What case? I have never seen any serious suggestion that the varicella vaccine is in the least bit harmful. Some people argue that it is unnecessary, but it's pretty clearly cost-effective so they can be dismissed.

Agreed, hence my reference to the "medical fraternity"

In which we can always count your participation as your posts so aptly demonstrate.

I don't know about the medical industry in general but this report on doctors does not instill much confidence.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... gD9GUD0CO3

I am saddened and discouraged by the stupidity of most of the human race.

God must exist because he has a name?

Well in that case then Santa Claus must exist. Not to mention the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy.
Plus there must be vampires, trolls, elves, flying saucers and the Loch Ness Monster.

No wonder I want to kill myself.

Well I will be 17 in less than a month so okay.

There are various theories about housekeeping. Some people put things in order and throw out the junk and some merely kick the s hit around rather than watch TV. I'm obviously a sh itkicker.

Its obvious that you understand the importance of remaining active in your elder years.

To categorize bulls hitting on the internet as an activity is a total perversion of the concept.