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05 Aug 2010, 3:00 am

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Gay people are religious, too.

What, you thought we were all atheist? :roll:

A great number of the LGBT individuals I know of are either atheist or agnostic.

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05 Aug 2010, 3:08 am

Descartes wrote:

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

Gay people are religious, too.

What, you thought we were all atheist? :roll:

A great number of the LGBT individuals I know of are either atheist or agnostic.

Russell T Davies. I think.

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05 Aug 2010, 6:26 am

Quatermass wrote:

Descartes wrote:

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

Gay people are religious, too.

What, you thought we were all atheist? :roll:

A great number of the LGBT individuals I know of are either atheist or agnostic.

Russell T Davies. I think.

I didn't know he was gay, no wonder Jack Harkness is bisexual.

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05 Aug 2010, 7:55 am

greenblue wrote:

Quatermass wrote:

Descartes wrote:

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

Gay people are religious, too.

What, you thought we were all atheist? :roll:

A great number of the LGBT individuals I know of are either atheist or agnostic.

Russell T Davies. I think.

I didn't know he was gay, no wonder Jack Harkness is bisexual.

Yeah, Russell T Davies is gay. So is John Barrowman (the actor who played Captain Jack Harkness) and Russell Tovey (who appeared in the Doctor Who story Voyage of the Damned, and is the werewolf George in Being Human). Not to mention previous Doctor Who producer John Nathan-Turner. :shrug:

Russell T Davies is the only one whose religious orientation I am certain of, really, as he wrote The Second Coming, and makes his humanistic feelings clear in Torchwood, not to mention in his correspondence with Benjamin Cook in Doctor Who: The Writer's Tale.

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05 Aug 2010, 8:57 am

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

Gay people are religious, too.

What, you thought we were all atheist? :roll:

my cousin and my other friend of the family go to church ever Sunday :wink:

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05 Aug 2010, 9:13 am

Prop 8 was BS and shouldn't have even been allowed to the ballot. There was no legitimate concerns, only fear-mongering about how if gay marriage was legal then your kids might find out about gay people and you'd be stuck in the awkward position of having to explain it and risk that it might turn your kid gay. It was pure religious idiocy and most of the money supporting prop 8 came in from Utah.

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05 Aug 2010, 9:34 am

I believe marriage between any persons should be prohibited by law. Only civil unions should be allowed (no matter the couple is heterosexual, homosexual, a man + a fictitious girl, woman + bicycle, four men + four women, etc). "Marriage" should only exist inside religions and should have no legal significance whatsoever. I want a true secular state plox.

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05 Aug 2010, 11:29 am

Descartes wrote:

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

Gay people are religious, too.

What, you thought we were all atheist? :roll:

A great number of the LGBT individuals I know of are either atheist or agnostic.

Most I have met are either Christian or Pagan. I even know one that's Muslim.

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05 Aug 2010, 11:31 am

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I'm still upset that the LDS church was allowed to influence the vote like that.

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05 Aug 2010, 12:22 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

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I'm still upset that the LDS church was allowed to influence the vote like that.

I was living in L.A. when the election and all went down and it was absurd how completely unrelated to the proposition most of the ads were. If it wasn't for the fact that I knew exactly what prop 8 was about, I might have gotten confused about it. The ads were an exercise in trying as hard as possible to confuse most people about the issue and about what the proposition was really about. I knew a couple people who were confused which was supporting what at different points.

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05 Aug 2010, 12:28 pm

skafather84 wrote:

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I'm still upset that the LDS church was allowed to influence the vote like that.

A couple of my friends told me they voted for it because they thought it was pro-same sex marriage. All because the ads confused the issue.

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05 Aug 2010, 1:14 pm

Descartes wrote:

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

Gay people are religious, too.

What, you thought we were all atheist? :roll:

A great number of the LGBT individuals I know of are either atheist or agnostic.

As one friend summarized it to me, when it comes to faith and religion: "it has no place for me, so why should I have a place for it?"

She was right.

But I also have lesbian and gay friends who have gone through extraordinary steps to keep their faith and find a faith community that they would be accepted and happy in.

I have no idea on if the official statistics on faith as held by lesbian and gay individuals varies from that of the general public or not.

My answer to the friend I quoted above was along the lines of acknowledging that I couldn't argue with her on that point, but that it made me sad, and I wasn't sure it was God speaking on it, or the humans trying to interpret His will on earth, and that I hopped it would someday change so that she could have faith and feel accepted by it.

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05 Aug 2010, 1:21 pm

As for the proposition itself, as I posted in the other thread, I am glad it was overturned. The legal battle is not over, we still don't have legal gay marriage in the state of California, but my little circle of the world is celebrating a step towards victory. As I explained in my other post, to change the marriage laws will reflect real social changes, and it is time. It doesn't matter if we aren't all fully comfortable with the concept from a moral perspective; this is about what serves the broader goals and purposes of society, as the judge's opinion apparently wisely pointed out, and not about personal morality.

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05 Aug 2010, 1:36 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:

Descartes wrote:

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

Gay people are religious, too.

What, you thought we were all atheist? :roll:

A great number of the LGBT individuals I know of are either atheist or agnostic.

There's a huge following of the LDS church that are members of the LGBT community.

http://www.affirmation.org/

These people are often ignored by both the church and those condemning the church.

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05 Aug 2010, 1:54 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

I'm still upset that the LDS church was allowed to influence the vote like that.

A couple of my friends told me they voted for it because they thought it was pro-same sex marriage. All because the ads confused the issue.

Yeah...I had that, too. You'd think it'd be illegal for ads to basically lie and completely avoid the issue at hand.

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05 Aug 2010, 1:57 pm

Truth in advertising has never been America's strong suit.

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