If God exist, why does he reward those that bullied us?

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I don't get why it works that way either. The painful excuse I hear from alot of Christians is, "God is like a parent. He puts us through these things as a test, or to teach us a lesson."

Some of the nicest people I met need to be taught a lesson?

That is an Abusive Parent.

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If Christianity is a tool to control the masses, it's a very crappy one. Look at China... look at India... they managed to out-control and out-populate us without Christianity. China has a single political party and most of the Chinese are nor Christian.

I've heard every pro and con argument out there. It comes down to this: Do you think you are smarter than God or not? Do you think you are more righteous than God or not? What makes you think that life on earth is any better than life after death? If you believe you're smarter than whoever/whatever created this universe than there's no point in discussing this. If you believe God is smarter and more righteous than you personally, you'll accept that he has a better place for us... that this life on earth is just a small tiny part of a very large life he has for us.

teething hurts... birthing hurts... those are very painful things in life. We don't curse god for those things because we see the results. If you don't understand why god does things (nobody does, people only claim to know) then how can you possibly judge it?

Don't get me wrong... i'm an aspie and I curse god every day for this miserable nonsense of a half-life he gave me.. I hope one day he proves me wrong.

The reason is that God is an as*hole.

I am fine with people who believe in God. What I do have a problem with is people who seem to think "He" is Good. The God that is mentioned in the Bible has a lot of bad qualities. And one of these is rewarding the sinful and punishing the innocent.

It's all a bunch of BS.

I've come to the conclusion that IF god is all powerful, then he could stop these things happening.

And if that's true, then he is not worth following. He has inflicted pain on us all, for no good reasons given.

But of course, there's the possibility he isn't exactly all powerful. Just more powerful than anything else.

This would mean he wouldn't be entirely responsible. I could forgive him then, but when people try to preach a god with limitless power that still decides to make some people near perfect and make some people sub human, I get angry.

The logical problem of evil has been dead for decades.

1. This is a massive act of necromancery.

a) I totally want to be that guy but this is racist.
b) India has theism too.
c) What makes you so sure the control in the US is not as strong as that in China and India? Maybe having two parties instead of just one is not that big of a difference if the two parties have a 99% tendency to do exactly the same. Sure, republicans tend to be far more anti-poor than democrats, but the two parties tend to get away with the same pro-corporation, pro-war stuff.

d) Just because the guys at China are controlling other people better than the guys at US, it doesn't debunk the statement that Christianity is a tool to control people.

Naw, thread is more about, if god exists why does it not punish what I find evil?


Before we argue whether this life is better than something else, first prove that something else exists. There is no point otherwise. Hey, this hamburger tastes great, but I bet a Unicorn sandwich would be far more delicious.



Why?


But why should we believe any of this?


birthing hurts and it is evil when forced, where are the big results of forced birth? (due to rape and completely unfair misogynistic anti-abortion legislation).


I have no problem understanding why god does things. I have a problem believing it exists. And the reason the world has plenty of social issues that don't make any sense are a reason to doubt it.


I don't need to judge it, all I am doing is questioning its whole existence.



The whole "god works in mysterious ways" argument reeks in privilege. Privileged people can bet that whatever hardship they are going through right now will somehow work out in the end. The unprivileged really cannot.

Sorry, nonsense. I hear that line from people who live in far worse conditions than you and I ever will ever know. Really accepting that statement means that there is power beyond the government oppressing them, so it is both an act of defiance and one that is far more Kafkaesque‎ than you and I will ever really appreciate. Belief in a higher power, at least in the more oppressive places I have been, was linked quite heavily with blaming other people for the things that happen, blaming God is the real privilege of the rich because the forces that hold us back from out desires are structural and self-inflicted, whereas the ones that hold back slaves have personages that can be seen for the nasty things they do. We in the free world are so free we are left to combat our biology and our own desire to get things we are not even sure we want. Whereas the oppressed, know their hardship is manmade and often very localised. We in the wealthy world know much of our pain is self-inflicted and so we revolt from god because we fear being truly seen for what we are. Even if you disagree with my conclusion, which I know is quite oriented towards my own personal feelings, the position put forward above is condescending both towards the receiver and towards the underprivileged.

According to whom?

If evil exists, then this is not the perfect world. And therefore God could've done better.

He doesnt exist, life just sucks and if he does exist hes a jerk!

I am Muslim.

There is mercy and there is justice.
Justice always comes before mercy. This is not followed in life always as in school.
God does not exist ... like magic.
In my mind God is like the natural laws of life.
The bully happens to be in an advantageous position and abuses his power. Like he has a stronger body.
But if the bully has good friends and he is adult, then he will find his place and living good is the best way to live ife.
The way all things follow.

And life is a test.
And it says in the Quran that life and death is a test for us.
Consider that every part in life where you move up or down in the system you must pass through a test.
I think the bulllies are a test too, only that the system fails to make a system out of it and allow chaos to go on.
God has not failed, humans has failed to make use of the laws he has ascribed us.

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KXMode explained it, but maybe too long winded for anyone to read.

If you are talking about a Biblical God, then the rest of the Bible explains he is not running the world, if he was, we wouldnt have to pray for "Gods Kingdom to Come" and "let thy will be done on Earth as in Heaven", not if it was already here.

The Bible says we left God and chose the Devils way, so he is the god of the World at the moment, thats why the wicked do so well, they have god on their side as opposed to Almighty God.

In the book of Daniel, I think it was the Archangel Gabriel that explained why it took him two weeks to reach Daniel, because his way was blocked by a Demon Entity, the Prince of Persia.

At the end, there will be a war between Jesus and his angels, and Satan and his Angels, when Jesus wins it, then the Good will be favoured above the wicked.

First in Heaven:- Revelation 12 v7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

Then on Earth Revelation 19 link

Wars are fought for a reason, usually conquest, this war will be for control of the Earth as God doesnt not at this point control it.

Blame the evil and the suffering of dead babies on god, not God.

There is consensus among modern philosophers. Even infidels.org acknowledges this. http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/ ... gical.html

Infidels.org also like to say that Jesus never existed. I don't understand why you had to mention them as the last thing I want to do is associate myself with them.

And I don't think there is a clear consensus among modern philosophers on this topic unless you're only talking about Christian philosophers.