Islam is a pro-Aspergers religion (unlike Christianity)

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20 Oct 2010, 11:39 am

we all fail.

obvious troll is obvious everywhere except an aspie ppr forum.


terrible trolling and i don't see how it can be that satisfying.


did you think you were accomplishing something?

Poe's law didn't describe a new phenomenon. it explained a specific type of troll.

this is an autistic forum and it's not that rare to get people who seriously believe crap like this.


for your future trolling: bad spelling was a good idea but you need to be more consistent with it.

also: muslims are usually a lot better at talking about islam so if you want to play this character you need to work on that more.


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20 Oct 2010, 12:05 pm

I think it's pretty obvious that Eric_crooks is a troll. The odd mixture of Islamist fanaticism with anti-immigrant sentiment sort of spells it out (honestly, "from Spain"???).

Jono's claim about nobody being born with religious beliefs is false, though, as a few studies have shown that children have dualism hardwired into their brains.

http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/bloom04 ... index.html


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20 Oct 2010, 3:04 pm

I doubt any religion would trump another when it comes to accepting Asperger's. If we do think that religion is a way to describe reality (as Geertz once said, iirc), then people with Asperger's could be seen as either ret*d and thus negatively, or "gifted" by "god" (or whatever the divinity(-ies) is/are) in a more positive light. =/

And i think from what i've seen in Christianity, that both extremes are possible.



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20 Oct 2010, 3:16 pm

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In church, many so-called "Christians" would make fun of me and bully, and especially make fun of my aspergers-induced quirks and idiosyncracies. I found this to be the case at EVERY church I went to. I blelieve this is because Christianity does not tolerate any kind of deviance from the norm. I mean when you look at the bible and read all of its silly morals and laws, its basically anti-aspergers, anti-nonconformist, pro-neurotypical, pro-conformist propaganda. It didn't matter if I was in a catholic church, a othodox synagogue or whatever... every Xtian place of worship was full of serious people who did not appreciate it my dark sense of humur and penchant for satire...


I've been quite accepted at most every church I've been in--despite almost always being the heretic of the bunch (and I'm not shy about my satirical humor). My last church, before I moved, the pastor absolutely loved me, and we disagreed a lot (at one point, I was even the youth director).

Here's what I think: People have some bad experiences with other people and then rather than hold them accountable for their actions, foolishly try and pin the blame on some inanimate object (Christianity, etc). That's lazy. Given the rigorous debate amongst damn-near everything in the Bible within various Christian churches, it's rather nonsensical to simply say it's full of "anti-aspergers, anti-nonconformist, pro-neurotypical, pro-conformist propaganda." According to who? Lutherns? Methodists? Pentecostals? Catholics?



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20 Oct 2010, 4:25 pm

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Jono's claim about nobody being born with religious beliefs is false, though, as a few studies have shown that children have dualism hardwired into their brains.

http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/bloom04 ... index.html


I never said anything about tendencies to believe in those things. A tendency to believe in a concept like dualism or to believe that there is a purpose for why things happen the way they do may be genetic and might of had evolutionary advantages. However, that is not the same as having religious beliefs, although they are related. Specific religious beliefs are still taught. People growing up in a religious Christian family are likely to become religious themselves because of there background. Likewise if they grew up in a strongly religious Muslim family, they are likely to be become religious Muslims. People who come from a non-religious background or come from families where religion was never really discussed are often agnostic in my experience and religion has never been of great importance to them.



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20 Oct 2010, 5:09 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious that Eric_crooks is a troll. The odd mixture of Islamist fanaticism with anti-immigrant sentiment sort of spells it out (honestly, "from Spain"???).

Well, I really think Eric_crooks just lacks substance. There is no way of determining who is just a religious nut, and who is a liar.



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20 Oct 2010, 6:28 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious that Eric_crooks is a troll. The odd mixture of Islamist fanaticism with anti-immigrant sentiment sort of spells it out (honestly, "from Spain"???).

Spain is actually a country with a similar level of immigration issues as US.


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20 Oct 2010, 8:40 pm

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In church, many so-called "Christians" would make fun of me and bully, and especially make fun of my aspergers-induced quirks and idiosyncracies. I found this to be the case at EVERY church I went to. I blelieve this is because Christianity does not tolerate any kind of deviance from the norm. I mean when you look at the bible and read all of its silly morals and laws, its basically anti-aspergers, anti-nonconformist, pro-neurotypical, pro-conformist propaganda. It didn't matter if I was in a catholic church, a othodox synagogue or whatever... every Xtian place of worship was full of serious people who did not appreciate it my dark sense of humur and penchant for satire...


I've been quite accepted at most every church I've been in--despite almost always being the heretic of the bunch (and I'm not shy about my satirical humor). My last church, before I moved, the pastor absolutely loved me, and we disagreed a lot (at one point, I was even the youth director).

Here's what I think: People have some bad experiences with other people and then rather than hold them accountable for their actions, foolishly try and pin the blame on some inanimate object (Christianity, etc). That's lazy. Given the rigorous debate amongst damn-near everything in the Bible within various Christian churches, it's rather nonsensical to simply say it's full of "anti-aspergers, anti-nonconformist, pro-neurotypical, pro-conformist propaganda." According to who? Lutherns? Methodists? Pentecostals? Catholics?


Maybe according to those unusual Christians he met in the "othodox synagogue"? 8O



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21 Oct 2010, 5:54 am

Eric_crooks wrote:
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monotheism came rather late to humanity, i.e. its introduction is recent (about 3000 years or so). So there is nothing natural about any monotheistic religion. The One God Who Rules All meme is recent, but one introduced it tended to stick.
Actually, Adnan and Hawwa (Adam and Eve to the infidels) were the first people on earth and they were muslim as they believed in Alah who created them. so technically islam is the oldest religion, the worlds first religion and thus the most natural of all relgions.


You are invoking a mythical history of the human race as though it were fact. Humans are the result of genetic variation on an older stock of hominids. God did not pick up a handful of earth, roll it into a ball and blow on it to make us. That is not how it happened.

The God and the Garden story is just the kind of story a pre-scientific people would formulate to account for the beginnings of our kind.

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21 Oct 2010, 7:34 am

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Actually, Adam and Eve were the first people on earth


so what were their surnames? how did they know they were called adam and eve?
did eve call adam "adam"? and did adam call eve "eve".
were they zapped to earth as adults? or were they zapped to earth as infants?

who knows. no one was around to record the story. even the assertion that their names were adam and eve (or achmed and fatima (?)) is not able to be determined since there was no observer to document what happened. did they magically know how to write? did they have an instinctive knowledge of a language that never was created before there appearance?

they must have been geniuses to develop a system of writing to scribe a "language" that they themselves must have created in order to document what their names were, let alone anything else relating to their life and times.

and if they had kids, then if those kids fornicated with each other to produce a descendant lineage, then their genetic show would have been over rather early due to inbreeding.

in fact, if adam and eve were simply popped into an environment, then they would have caught a disease rather quickly that their immune systems would have no knowledge of, and i doubt they would have survived for more than a few weeks.

if this "allah" clown was so silly to cast 2 living units into a foreign environment, then i would not expect that he did many things with much forethought.

apparently they should have lived forever in some sort of cloud cuckoo land where they did not even perceive they were naked.

but it is said (with no observer present), that a snake asked eve to eat an apple from the tree of knowledge, and when she did, she saw she was naked and the paradise was lost forever.

but before she ate from the tree of knowledge, surely she would not have had any knowledge, so how can she be punished for wandering senselessly into that trap?

whatever.
i am dim of mind, and i can not glean any sense from the story.



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21 Oct 2010, 2:32 pm

b9 wrote:
Eric_crooks wrote:
Actually, Adam and Eve were the first people on earth


so what were their surnames? how did they know they were called adam and eve?
did eve call adam "adam"? and did adam call eve "eve".
were they zapped to earth as adults? or were they zapped to earth as infants?

who knows. no one was around to record the story. even the assertion that their names were adam and eve (or achmed and fatima (?)) is not able to be determined since there was no observer to document what happened. did they magically know how to write? did they have an instinctive knowledge of a language that never was created before there appearance?

they must have been geniuses to develop a system of writing to scribe a "language" that they themselves must have created in order to document what their names were, let alone anything else relating to their life and times.

and if they had kids, then if those kids fornicated with each other to produce a descendant lineage, then their genetic show would have been over rather early due to inbreeding.

in fact, if adam and eve were simply popped into an environment, then they would have caught a disease rather quickly that their immune systems would have no knowledge of, and i doubt they would have survived for more than a few weeks.

if this "allah" clown was so silly to cast 2 living units into a foreign environment, then i would not expect that he did many things with much forethought.

apparently they should have lived forever in some sort of cloud cuckoo land where they did not even perceive they were naked.

but it is said (with no observer present), that a snake asked eve to eat an apple from the tree of knowledge, and when she did, she saw she was naked and the paradise was lost forever.

but before she ate from the tree of knowledge, surely she would not have had any knowledge, so how can she be punished for wandering senselessly into that trap?

whatever.
i am dim of mind, and i can not glean any sense from the story.


you know, b9, there's an easy solution to all of these problems.

magic.

i just don't understand why people who believe in magic won't admit that they believe in magic. "it's not magic, it's -definitionofmagicgoeshere-!"


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22 Oct 2010, 3:30 am

Marcia wrote:
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Eric_crooks wrote:
In church, many so-called "Christians" would make fun of me and bully, and especially make fun of my aspergers-induced quirks and idiosyncracies. I found this to be the case at EVERY church I went to. I blelieve this is because Christianity does not tolerate any kind of deviance from the norm. I mean when you look at the bible and read all of its silly morals and laws, its basically anti-aspergers, anti-nonconformist, pro-neurotypical, pro-conformist propaganda. It didn't matter if I was in a catholic church, a othodox synagogue or whatever... every Xtian place of worship was full of serious people who did not appreciate it my dark sense of humur and penchant for satire...


I've been quite accepted at most every church I've been in--despite almost always being the heretic of the bunch (and I'm not shy about my satirical humor). My last church, before I moved, the pastor absolutely loved me, and we disagreed a lot (at one point, I was even the youth director).



Here's what I think: People have some bad experiences with other people and then rather than hold them accountable for their actions, foolishly try and pin the blame on some inanimate object (Christianity, etc). That's lazy. Given the rigorous debate amongst damn-near everything in the Bible within various Christian churches, it's rather nonsensical to simply say it's full of "anti-aspergers, anti-nonconformist, pro-neurotypical, pro-conformist propaganda." According to who? Lutherns? Methodists? Pentecostals? Catholics?


Maybe according to those unusual Christians he met in the "othodox synagogue"? 8O


He probably has "Orthodox Jews" confused with "Eastern Orthodox Christians" , and thinks that Eastern Orthodox Christians worship at "Othodox Synagogues". Just like he thinks that Spanish speaking illeagle aliens come from "Spain".

Obviously a very confused individual.



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24 Oct 2010, 10:52 am

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However, the Crusades started by the management of the RC Church managed to make relations between Muslims and Christians difficult, to say the least.


I'm really tired of everyone blaming our relationship with muslims on the crusades. aren't we forgetting a certain general Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi who invaded Spain and Portugal with the intent of storming across all of europe and wiping out Christianity altogether centuries before the crusades, until we was finally stopped in France by Charles "the hammer" Martel and his army at the battle of tours? (Also would have made a much better movie than 300)remember that? or did your history class not consider that important?

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You may be tired, but Muslim extremists never stop referring to the Christian West as Crusaders, and this is about 600 t0 700 years after the last Crusade. The Shi'ites still mourn the death of Ali, the Prophet's nephew or grandson (I forget which) after 1300 years. You may think it is silly (as I do) but the Muslim extremists have a very long memory and a reluctance to let bygones be bygones.

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Have you ever heard of something called "Passover"?

Thats when Jews ritually relive their oppression by the Pharoah.
The events happed-not six, seven, nor even 13 centuries ago- , but over 32 centuries ago!

Why cant the Jews "let bygones be bygones"?

Lol
And ofcourse Christians still burn Judas in effigy 20 centuries after he contributed to the death of Christ.
I could go on.

Why do you have a problem with "muslim extremists" acting just like mainstram American Christians and Jews?

indeed youve demonstrated that Muslims have comparatively short - not " long memories" from the examples youve given.

That Muslims act as dumb and silly in the name of religion as Americans do is to be expected.



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24 Oct 2010, 3:12 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
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ruveyn wrote:
However, the Crusades started by the management of the RC Church managed to make relations between Muslims and Christians difficult, to say the least.


I'm really tired of everyone blaming our relationship with muslims on the crusades. aren't we forgetting a certain general Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi who invaded Spain and Portugal with the intent of storming across all of europe and wiping out Christianity altogether centuries before the crusades, until we was finally stopped in France by Charles "the hammer" Martel and his army at the battle of tours? (Also would have made a much better movie than 300)remember that? or did your history class not consider that important?

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You may be tired, but Muslim extremists never stop referring to the Christian West as Crusaders, and this is about 600 t0 700 years after the last Crusade. The Shi'ites still mourn the death of Ali, the Prophet's nephew or grandson (I forget which) after 1300 years. You may think it is silly (as I do) but the Muslim extremists have a very long memory and a reluctance to let bygones be bygones.

ruveyn


Have you ever heard of something called "Passover"?

Thats when Jews ritually relive their oppression by the Pharoah.
The events happed-not six, seven, nor even 13 centuries ago- , but over 32 centuries ago!

Why cant the Jews "let bygones be bygones"?

Lol
And ofcourse Christians still burn Judas in effigy 20 centuries after he contributed to the death of Christ.
I could go on.

Why do you have a problem with "muslim extremists" acting just like mainstram American Christians and Jews?

indeed youve demonstrated that Muslims have comparatively short - not " long memories" from the examples youve given.

That Muslims act as dumb and silly in the name of religion as Americans do is to be expected.


It's not quite the same. At least the Jews don't think Egypt is still out to enslave them. The Muslim jihadists however, still think the Crusades are continuing and that Israel's existance is the result of a "Crusader-Zionist alliance". Additionally, the Crusades have historically never been an event central to the Islamic faith, unlike what Jesus' crucifixion is to the Christians or what Passover is to the Jews.



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24 Oct 2010, 3:41 pm

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Have you ever heard of something called "Passover"?

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Yes. And there is a commandment in the Torah the commands Israel to let bygones be bygones with the Egyptians after the third generation. The purpose of the Passover is to remember that Israel was freed from Egypt by divine providence. We even have a custom to remember and mourn Pharo's soldiers who were drowned in the Sea of Reeds pursuing the Israelites. A bad time was had by all.

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It's not quite the same. At least the Jews don't think Egypt is still out to enslave them. The Muslim jihadists however, still think the Crusades are continuing and that Israel's existance is the result of a "Crusader-Zionist alliance".
That's not in the Qur'an though. There are foundamentalists everywhere. The jihadists thinking the Crusades are continuing are no different at all from those Christians that believe there is an Atheist conspiracy among with Satan to do something something against America or some giberish like that.


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Additionally, the Crusades have historically never been an event central to the Islamic faith, unlike what Jesus' crucifixion is to the Christians or what Passover is to the Jews.


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