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22 Nov 2010, 6:56 am

John_Browning wrote:
According to my friend who had an out of body experience when she attempted suicide (and "crossed over"), something does happen when you die.
Yah, I think the out of body experience is kind of a thorn in the ass of strict, deterministic materialists. Their argument would have more credibility if people saw static when they died or just blacked out entirely with no memory of anything.



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22 Nov 2010, 7:52 am

all life (existence) is contained within my existence, and when i no longer exist, neither will anything else.



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22 Nov 2010, 8:37 am

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all life (existence) is contained within my existence, and when i no longer exist, neither will anything else.


You are suffering from galloping solopsism.

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22 Nov 2010, 3:37 pm

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all life (existence) is contained within my existence, and when i no longer exist, neither will anything else.


Nice delusion buddy, but we live life stuck in our own heads too.



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22 Nov 2010, 3:42 pm

b9 wrote:
all life (existence) is contained within my existence, and when i no longer exist, neither will anything else.


Solipsism is nice, isn't it? In many ways, I do wish it was true.



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22 Nov 2010, 9:09 pm

Asp-Z wrote:
b9 wrote:
all life (existence) is contained within my existence, and when i no longer exist, neither will anything else.


Solipsism is nice, isn't it? In many ways, I do wish it was true.


Why, so it would be easier to deny the successes and happiness that you perceive in other people as just being illusory holograms of your own imagination? I think its awesome that other people exist. It would be a more boring world if it wasn't the case.



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23 Nov 2010, 8:36 am

ruveyn wrote:
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all life (existence) is contained within my existence, and when i no longer exist, neither will anything else.


You are suffering from galloping solopsism.

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i would respond to this in detail if i had the habit of arguing with myself.
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23 Nov 2010, 8:39 am

JNathanK wrote:
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all life (existence) is contained within my existence, and when i no longer exist, neither will anything else.


Nice delusion buddy, but we live life stuck in our own heads too.


poor you. your "head" is in my head, and if you are stuck in a little "head" that is in my head, then you are doubly removed from the reality i create with my "sight".



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23 Nov 2010, 8:40 am

Asp-Z wrote:
b9 wrote:
all life (existence) is contained within my existence, and when i no longer exist, neither will anything else.


Solipsism is nice, isn't it? In many ways, I do wish it was true.


well i was not completely serious.



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23 Nov 2010, 8:42 am

JNathanK wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
b9 wrote:
all life (existence) is contained within my existence, and when i no longer exist, neither will anything else.


Solipsism is nice, isn't it? In many ways, I do wish it was true.


Why, so it would be easier to deny the successes and happiness that you perceive in other people as just being illusory holograms of your own imagination? I think its awesome that other people exist. It would be a more boring world if it wasn't the case.


you will be thrown from your bucking donkey of unconditional protest lest i calm you down by removing you from my imagination.



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23 Nov 2010, 1:39 pm

I don't know what happens after you die, but if you were a real dick to people in life, had a very inflated sense of self importance, death won't be an easy process. When the walls of ego come crashing down, the barriers and self constructs egotistical people put their faith in so much, it will suck for you if you've been a real as*hole.



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23 Nov 2010, 1:45 pm

JNathanK wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
According to my friend who had an out of body experience when she attempted suicide (and "crossed over"), something does happen when you die.
Yah, I think the out of body experience is kind of a thorn in the ass of strict, deterministic materialists. Their argument would have more credibility if people saw static when they died or just blacked out entirely with no memory of anything.

Not really. OOBEs are perfectly explicable as hallucinations induced by lack of oxygen to the brain, brought about by the circulatory system shutting down. The fact that so many of them are similar to one another can be laid at the metaphorical feet of the fact that humans tend to share their legends with each other; reports of OOBEs tend to be very similar to that culture's existing afterlife tales.

"Near-death" means "not actually dead"; thus, the data obtained from near-death experiences tell us more about the individual reporting said data than about the experience itself.


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23 Nov 2010, 2:15 pm

DeaconBlues wrote:
JNathanK wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
According to my friend who had an out of body experience when she attempted suicide (and "crossed over"), something does happen when you die.
Yah, I think the out of body experience is kind of a thorn in the ass of strict, deterministic materialists. Their argument would have more credibility if people saw static when they died or just blacked out entirely with no memory of anything.

Not really. OOBEs are perfectly explicable as hallucinations induced by lack of oxygen to the brain, brought about by the circulatory system shutting down. The fact that so many of them are similar to one another can be laid at the metaphorical feet of the fact that humans tend to share their legends with each other; reports of OOBEs tend to be very similar to that culture's existing afterlife tales.

"Near-death" means "not actually dead"; thus, the data obtained from near-death experiences tell us more about the individual reporting said data than about the experience itself.


I think its interesting that the "hallucination" is one of detatchment from the body. People often report seeing the operation room from above while they're being revived and have even described objects they couldn't have seen while unconscious. You can write any unexplainable phenomenon off as hallucination, but the fact they don't hallucinate things completely unrelated, like three headed elves or creations from Jim Hensen's creature shop, or just static, lends credibility to these experiences. I'm not even saying its, with certainty, a real detachment from the body, but I don't think science has enough of an understanding about consciousness to completely discredit OBEs as non-genuine.