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Philologos
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31 Jul 2011, 9:02 am

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That may be your intuition but it is hopelessly paradoxical. But if you never exist then you would be in the paradoxical situation where all time will subjectively come to an end, even googolplex years into the future.

Below is a syllogism which shows just how paradoxical your hypothesis is:
Major premise: Any future existence after any given point of time after our death is impossible because the laws of physics forbid it.
Minor premise: The laws of physics before our birth and after our death are both identical, that is an empirical fact.
Conclusion: So any future existence after any given point of time before our birth would be also impossible.
Go figure.


I realize you are responding to ruveyn whose habit is it utter dogmatic materialism chiding any deviatonists and then cling to his whole inflexible agenda.

But still, I cannot see what you are driving at here.

Major premise : The laws of physics do not forbid post mortem subjective experience [generally the body still exists after death]; rather we do not know laws of physics which allow for such experience.

Minor premise: How can it be empirical fact, when we do not know all and only the laws of physics at any time? We have failed to detect any changes in the laws of physics.so far, other than discovering new one and modifying old ones. But there could be important laws of physics - ones we ghave not got to yet - that are changing as I write this.

Conclusion: I suspect youi are being cute, but even so - The laws operating the universe at least in this sector are dircetional. Things done cannot be undone. I cannot see the vulture scene backwards, or unsee it. Existence that is impossible at one end of the curve is not thereby ruled out at the other end. To use a famous example, a man cannot return to his mother's womb to be born again. But that does not preclude his being born in the first placve.



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31 Jul 2011, 9:22 am

ivegotyou wrote:
if you die and go to heaven, do you forget all your bad memories and remember the good ones?
Is it the opposite if you go to hell?


since there is no afterlife, you don't have anything to worry about.


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31 Jul 2011, 9:23 am

What afterlife?



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31 Jul 2011, 2:46 pm

just how does one know for a fact that there is nothing outside this earthly existence? "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."



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31 Jul 2011, 2:52 pm

auntblabby wrote:
just how does one know for a fact that there is nothing outside this earthly existence? "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

Just why should anyone even entertain the possibility of an afterlife when there is nothing that indicates it?


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31 Jul 2011, 3:18 pm

ruveyn wrote:
What afterlife?


Wait about 50 years, and if you still haven't figured it out I will clue you in. Unless the Last Battle Dawrf ploy actually works. It doesn't cut if for ostriches.



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31 Jul 2011, 4:02 pm

Philologos wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
What afterlife?


Wait about 50 years, and if you still haven't figured it out I will clue you in. Unless the Last Battle Dawrf ploy actually works. It doesn't cut if for ostriches.


Could you please translate that into plain English. Thank you.

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31 Jul 2011, 4:05 pm

auntblabby wrote:
just how does one know for a fact that there is nothing outside this earthly existence? "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."
I play it safe and don't assume outside of what can be proven. How do I know? Because unproven assertions are a lot more likely to be wrong than right and conveniently suit some organization's agenda. Maybe religion didn't start out as an agenda, but since religion (ok maybe not all religion but the major ones) is inherently based on faith that's what set a dangerous precedent for it to become such an exploitable tool.