Etiquette for folks 'not taking it the wrong way"
Inuyasha wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
However, I will tell you my opinion of your behavior and I will be honest about it.
And if a left-winger does exactly that in regard to a right-winger, you will be up in arms about it...
Well I will when it is quite obvious that they don't know what they are talking about, that doesn't mean I'm going to advocate silencing them. It does mean, I'm going to be quite clear that I think they are full of it.
Macbeth wrote:
So I guess what some people are saying here is that they SUPPORT the use of violent, militaristic rhetoric in political conversations?
I'm not going to support Political Correctness, which is really censorship designed to limit or do away with the First Amendment.
Macbeth wrote:
Once we get past the knee-jerk reaction that everyone who thinks inciting an armed uprising is a bit much must be "politicising a tragedy", that is.
Even President Obama has acknowledged that argument is a load of bull. I seriously suggest you stop using an argument that is continuing make liberals look like idiots. However if you want to continue to look like an idiot, feel free.
Macbeth wrote:
If that isn't the case, maybe people should say as much, instead of parroting "Stop politicising a tragedy."?
Maybe we're saying it because you are politicizing a tragedy. Seriously, the facts do not support your position and you are accusing people of being accessories to murder when the evidence actually disproves your claims. If the people being smeared were not public figures, I would expect every media outlet except Fox News would be looking at lawsuits for millions of dollars and those outlets would probably lose.
Macbeth wrote:
Inuyasha, please realise that a lot of people thought that all that violent idiom was excessive BEFORE some dip-sh** capped a Senator. There is no need for it.
No, a lot of people tried to come up with anything they could to smear the Tea Party, and try to paint them as dangerous kooks. Wouldn't surprise me if the mainstream media already had the story ready to print in advance where all they had to do was insert the name of the town and the name of the Representative that was shot. That's how dishonest the left wing media is these days.
Macbeth wrote:
Forget about the shooting, its not relevant any more.
First people are accusing conservatives and independents of being accessories to murder, then you are saying it isn't relevant. Like hell it isn't relevant.
Macbeth wrote:
What IS relevant is why American Politicians have to use language that would get you arrested for inciting a riot if you just started shouting it around the place as a civilian. Try standing on a table in your local mall and shouting that you think Politicians should be shot, see what happens.
It's about context, when politicians are using it, they are being figurative, they aren't suggesting people actually shoot someone.
Do you have some kind of disability which affects your reading comprehension? I ask this in all seriousness (given where we are) as you seem to be attributing things to me that I have never said (which is the same thing you are doing with Orwell.)
Slowly: The shooting IS NOT RELEVANT to the USE OF VIOLENT RHETORIC IN POLITICS. Clear? That is what I am saying. It will remain so unless there is evidence uncovered that the shooter was acting with political motive. I personally haven't used it as an argument for or against anything at all. If you bothered to read properly you would see that I am saying that American political language is NEEDLESSLY VIOLENT in form. I never said BAN IT either, nor did I say CENSOR IT. I said it was NEEDLESS. Are we clear yet? Your politicians have NO NEED to be so abusive and rude and aggressive about their opponents. Its not about freedom of speech or first amendment anything. Its about the fact that it is pointless and even counter-productive, and always has been.
I haven't accused Conservatives of murder or anything of the sort.
Are your politicians speaking "figuratively" when they refer to your sacrosant and all-important second amendment then? They don't literally mean that people should exercise that right either? Or are they saying that you SHOULD exercise THAT right, but none of the other violent suggestions?
LEARN TO READ. Then study up on IRONY. Or stop accusing people of things they haven't done. You reckon that everyone is accusing Conservatives of "murder", but you yourself are busy accusing people of saying all manner of things they simply have not said.
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"There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart,
that you can't take part" [Mario Savo, 1964]
Macbeth wrote:
Do you have some kind of disability which affects your reading comprehension? I ask this in all seriousness (given where we are) as you seem to be attributing things to me that I have never said (which is the same thing you are doing with Orwell.)
I might be confusing Inuyasha with another poster, but I think I remember something about dyslexia. That doesn't really apply here though; Inuyasha is extremely partisan and mildly insane when it comes to political matters. One term that has been brought up in reference to him repeatedly has been epistemic closure, and this combined with a really weak theory of mind and the Dunning-Kruger effect make it virtually impossibly to hold a reasoned discussion with him.
I essentially agree with your stance on violent rhetoric in politics.
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WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
Orwell wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Do you have some kind of disability which affects your reading comprehension? I ask this in all seriousness (given where we are) as you seem to be attributing things to me that I have never said (which is the same thing you are doing with Orwell.)
I might be confusing Inuyasha with another poster, but I think I remember something about dyslexia. That doesn't really apply here though; Inuyasha is extremely partisan and mildly insane when it comes to political matters. One term that has been brought up in reference to him repeatedly has been epistemic closure, and this combined with a really weak theory of mind and the Dunning-Kruger effect make it virtually impossibly to hold a reasoned discussion with him.
I essentially agree with your stance on violent rhetoric in politics.
Inuyasha's lack of comprehension goes beyond misunderstanding what someone has said and travels into the land of just making things up. As far as I know dyslexics don't completely invent whole new chunks of text. I may be wrong though.
I should clarify that I'm all for violent rhetoric when it is needed. Like having a war maybe. Censorship would be saying "no violent language EVER", whereas I just think that its excessive and overly dramatic to speak in terms of warfare when discussing health-care and the like. Left OR right, doesn't matter.
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"There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart,
that you can't take part" [Mario Savo, 1964]
@ Macbeth & Orwell
Really, I can read what you guys are posting just fine. If you want to continue to look like idiots, continue to shoot yourselves in the foot, and continue to prove my point go right ahead.
I think you have lost all credibility here. Your smear campaign is so apparent that it's laughable.
Again I think this picture about sums it up.
Inuyasha wrote:
Your smear campaign is so apparent that it's laughable.
@Macbeth: Based on this, I think we can agree that Inuyasha is either illiterate, or suffering from persistent hallucinations.
I'm not going to reiterate my position on this issue again. I've already spelled it out as clearly as I know how, and Macbeth has done the same. If you are incapable of comprehending simple English, that is your problem.
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WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
auntblabby wrote:
JetLag wrote:
And I think that President Obama's frequent, borderline trash talk is unbecoming a national leader, a national leader who is also a Harvard Law School graduate and the father of two beautiful daughters. I think that coarse language is probably better suited for comedians such as the late George Carlin, or perhaps the cartoon character Bart Simpson.
harry truman also used coarse language, frequently overheard in public. shrub also had been heard in public using coarse language. obama is not the only one.
Yes, both conservatives and liberals will often use various words and expressions in which exaggeration is used for emphasis. But I personally believe that President Obama uses these expressions a bit excessively to what is really necessary, or perhaps even appropriate.
And I've noticed that the liberal news media usually overlooks President Obama's choice of expressions when he says such things as "I’m itching for a fight," “Hit Back Twice As Hard,“ and “Punish your enemies.” And maybe the news media should overlook some of these expressions, since some of them seem to be considered part of American politics.
However, when Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, and other conservatives use political expressions in exercising their freedom of speech, members of the news media never seem to overlook them, especially in times of tragedy. Shamelessly the liberal news media had blamed Palin and Limbaugh for the tragedy in Arizona almost before the bullets had stopped flying.
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Orwell wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Your smear campaign is so apparent that it's laughable.
@Macbeth: Based on this, I think we can agree that Inuyasha is either illiterate, or suffering from persistent hallucinations.
I'm not going to reiterate my position on this issue again. I've already spelled it out as clearly as I know how, and Macbeth has done the same. If you are incapable of comprehending simple English, that is your problem.
Meant to say transparent, but apparent works too. For the record, I'm neither hallucinating nor illiterate. Furthermore, the people on the right weren't the ones running around with absolutely no evidence calling people accessories to murder.
Inuyasha wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Your smear campaign is so apparent that it's laughable.
@Macbeth: Based on this, I think we can agree that Inuyasha is either illiterate, or suffering from persistent hallucinations.
I'm not going to reiterate my position on this issue again. I've already spelled it out as clearly as I know how, and Macbeth has done the same. If you are incapable of comprehending simple English, that is your problem.
Meant to say transparent, but apparent works too. For the record, I'm neither hallucinating nor illiterate. Furthermore, the people on the right weren't the ones running around with absolutely no evidence calling people accessories to murder.
Well whoopdeeshit, because neither of us has said that either. The ONLY person running around making accusations without a shred of evidence is YOU.
@Orwell: I'm reminded of something an old Scots Lady told me she used to say to her mother as a child: "I ken HEAR ye, but I'm NAY listenin' te ye." (in a thick glaswegian accent. Seems that Inuyasha can read what we write, he just doesn't comprehend it.
_________________
"There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart,
that you can't take part" [Mario Savo, 1964]
Macbeth wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Your smear campaign is so apparent that it's laughable.
@Macbeth: Based on this, I think we can agree that Inuyasha is either illiterate, or suffering from persistent hallucinations.
I'm not going to reiterate my position on this issue again. I've already spelled it out as clearly as I know how, and Macbeth has done the same. If you are incapable of comprehending simple English, that is your problem.
Meant to say transparent, but apparent works too. For the record, I'm neither hallucinating nor illiterate. Furthermore, the people on the right weren't the ones running around with absolutely no evidence calling people accessories to murder.
Well whoopdeeshit, because neither of us has said that either. The ONLY person running around making accusations without a shred of evidence is YOU.

Which would you like me to post, quotes from you and other liberals here or quotes from left-wing talking heads? I have plenty of material to choose from in either regard as long as moderators don't delete posts, and you and others don't edit the posts you made.
Macbeth wrote:
@Orwell: I'm reminded of something an old Scots Lady told me she used to say to her mother as a child: "I ken HEAR ye, but I'm NAY listenin' te ye." (in a thick glaswegian accent. Seems that Inuyasha can read what we write, he just doesn't comprehend it.
I can read and comprehend what you are posting, that doesn't mean I'm going to blindly believe whatever you or he says like an incompetitent idiot. I do not blindly believe what Beck says, I still do research into the claims he makes to verify he is telling the truth. I'm also able to reason things through for myself. Places have to earn my trust, I don't just take what someone says blindly.
Inuyasha wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Your smear campaign is so apparent that it's laughable.
@Macbeth: Based on this, I think we can agree that Inuyasha is either illiterate, or suffering from persistent hallucinations.
I'm not going to reiterate my position on this issue again. I've already spelled it out as clearly as I know how, and Macbeth has done the same. If you are incapable of comprehending simple English, that is your problem.
Meant to say transparent, but apparent works too. For the record, I'm neither hallucinating nor illiterate. Furthermore, the people on the right weren't the ones running around with absolutely no evidence calling people accessories to murder.
Well whoopdeeshit, because neither of us has said that either. The ONLY person running around making accusations without a shred of evidence is YOU.

Which would you like me to post, quotes from you and other liberals here or quotes from left-wing talking heads? I have plenty of material to choose from in either regard as long as moderators don't delete posts, and you and others don't edit the posts you made.
Oh, feel free. Show when either Macbeth or I claimed that Beck was to blame for Loughner. Go ahead, we'll be waiting. But I won't hold my breath.
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WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
Inuyasha wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Your smear campaign is so apparent that it's laughable.
@Macbeth: Based on this, I think we can agree that Inuyasha is either illiterate, or suffering from persistent hallucinations.
I'm not going to reiterate my position on this issue again. I've already spelled it out as clearly as I know how, and Macbeth has done the same. If you are incapable of comprehending simple English, that is your problem.
Meant to say transparent, but apparent works too. For the record, I'm neither hallucinating nor illiterate. Furthermore, the people on the right weren't the ones running around with absolutely no evidence calling people accessories to murder.
Well whoopdeeshit, because neither of us has said that either. The ONLY person running around making accusations without a shred of evidence is YOU.

Which would you like me to post, quotes from you and other liberals here or quotes from left-wing talking heads? I have plenty of material to choose from in either regard as long as moderators don't delete posts, and you and others don't edit the posts you made.
Macbeth wrote:
@Orwell: I'm reminded of something an old Scots Lady told me she used to say to her mother as a child: "I ken HEAR ye, but I'm NAY listenin' te ye." (in a thick glaswegian accent. Seems that Inuyasha can read what we write, he just doesn't comprehend it.
I can read and comprehend what you are posting, that doesn't mean I'm going to blindly believe whatever you or he says like an incompetitent idiot. I do not blindly believe what Beck says, I still do research into the claims he makes to verify he is telling the truth. I'm also able to reason things through for myself. Places have to earn my trust, I don't just take what someone says blindly.
Except that you aren't properly reading OR comprehending. It doesn't even get as far as "blindly believing", because you are misunderstanding statements don't require belief, but are statements of fact, and making up whole new statements as well.
Given that neither of us is a liberal media talking head, I fail to see how posting what THEY say proves that WE have said something. Attributing someone elses comments to the wrong person can see you in court for libel you know. Can I post quotes from a random assortment of Right-wing media sources and attribute those quotes to you?
Incompetitent (sic) idiot? Makes me wonder...
_________________
"There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart,
that you can't take part" [Mario Savo, 1964]
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