DNC caught trying organize protests in Wisconsin

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Note "compared to other jobs which require a similar amount of education." If you get a master's degree in some other field and become, say, an actuary, you can get a much bigger paycheck.

I consider teaching to be one of the more important jobs, given that teaching means one will have a significant lasting influence on later generations.


They are expected to spend a relatively large amount of time outside of school hours on their work.


More competitive than you might think, since a lot of states are cutting back on teachers. Do physicians normally have a hard time finding work once they've graduated med school?

Would anyone care to explain the fake doctor notes?

It's pretty self-explanatory (and funny).

Sarcasm works better with some kind of basis. I am out of the 60s, mes amis, and in education one way or another my entire life [a life which some days gets old].

I say - you are free to disagree, picket me if you wish - protesting makes the media happy but DOES nothing. Voting somebody sane and active into office might help. Voting somebody insane or indolent OUT of office might help, Even a revolution COULD help - though more often that not it just invites in King Stork.

But taking a day off to march in circles waving signs and chanting unintelligiblle slogans - I have never seen that accomplish anything on campus.

I further say - and you are free to disagree and hold a teach-in about me - American education as presently practiced may teach them to read, but too many come out uninterested in reading, untrained in critical thought, with no habit of working. But they ARE fully equipped with the skills needed to carry a poster, march and shout slogans.

Education needs fixing - I do not doubt some of the teachers want just that. But I do not know how many of them are in the minority that is marching and shouting.

A high school teacher makes from $45,000-85,000 a year after 1 year of being a probationary teacher. That doesn't sound bad at all, but I guess Canada is different from the states and if that's the case then teachers in the states are indeed underpaid. How is teaching so much harder than calculating risks? What needs to be done is teachers getting paid according to their performance. doing away with stupid ass administration rules, and stricter punishment of stuff that really matters so that kids acting like pricks can get expelled more easily. That way, pay according to performance is much fairer than if they had to put up with that BS.

I know for a fact their work doesn't end after they leave the classroom, but can you give an example of what work requires a relatively large amount of time?

No cuz education after high school lasts about 13 years. The competitiveness lies in being accepted to college/uni, med school, and residency. You have to work in residency from 80-100 hours a week and are in massive debt by the time you're done with education. If they have to go through the competitive process one last time after residency, then 13 years of education after high school has gone down the drain. Doctors have a high job security for a reason.

Not in my state. I know for a fact that no teacher from my school district has ever earned $80,000/year. The max pay any of my teachers had was about $60,000, and that was at the end of a 30-year career. Several of my teachers were actually below the poverty line for the first few years that they taught. Someone with a master's degree working in the field they trained for should not be on food stamps.


The teachers' union has a lot of problems that need to be dealt with. I'll agree with that.

@ Orwell

We aren't talking about the state of Ohio, we're talking about Wisconsin.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... democracy/

Also Article on Teacher's compensation
http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/20 ... ta-income/

They apparently make more than the average per capita income in the city.

And? They have more than the average education in the city. Do they make more than the average income for people with master's degrees?

Compensation of over $100,000 dollars, is perfectly okay for you?

For ever one dollar they contribute to retirement the Government is to give $57?


Also we can also add in an attempt to destroy other people's property:
http://nation.foxnews.com/justice/2011/ ... und-system

Walker really isn't asking for much. These people pay for about .5% of their pensions and 5% for their generous healthcare benefits. They receive far more than they ever give in. This budget repair bill would up their contributions to their own pensions up to 5.6% and 12.6% for their healthcare, I'm sure still below the national average and I know way below their counterparts in the private sector. The left talks a lot about people paying their fair share, well it's time these public employees pay theirs.

Walker's alternative is to fire 12,000 state workers. Most of these people actually seem to prefer that if they're not the one's fired of course. If they don't want the accept the reality of the situation, Walker should fire them all, there are many many people in this state that would love to do those jobs for less. I bet they'd probably do a better job.

I fail to see how removing collective bargaining rights in order to pay teachers less money is going to improve the american education system or bring about any of the changes that you desire.

If I have kids, they are going straIght to private schools. Reason why: NO TEACHERS UNION.

You willing to pay even more taxes to support a teachers salary increase?

"The teachers' union has a lot of problems that need to be dealt with. I'll agree with that."

And that should be sending The Teacher's union" packing, once and for all.

The assumption that teachers that are active in the labor movement are not as quailified
as those that are not is a strange thing.
I have taught in various private and charter schools and I found the level of education lower than the public schools.
the fact they let me teach there is a good sign of that.
I am incompetent as hell.
-Jake

Protesting may or may not "do nothing". That's irrelevant. The problem is implying that there is something wrong with democrats promoting protests when republicans have had their own share of protest organizing over the years and in fact protesting it is part of that thing they call democracy. Democracy is in no way only about votes but it is also about the right to do this sort of thing provided there is no vandalism. You may disagree with the protesters but, that does not matter.