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22 Apr 2011, 2:04 pm

Bethie wrote:

"Indoctrination" usually means to program someone with ideas which they are not allowed to question.

Forcing one's children to go to church and telling them bronze age fairy stories as if they were true qualifies.

Such as forcing your children to be vegans?

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22 Apr 2011, 9:14 pm

blunnet wrote:

Bethie wrote:

Such as forcing your children to be vegans?

Analogy: You're doing it wrong.

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22 Apr 2011, 9:37 pm

blunnet wrote:

Bethie wrote:

Such as forcing your children to be vegans?

Yes, definitely.

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22 Apr 2011, 9:41 pm

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I see no reason why Aspies should be inherently immune to the basic silliness of religious superstition.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again: MIRROR NEURONS. Since Aspies have less active mirror neuronic systems and the notion of a Personal God to some extent depends on hyperactive mirror neuronic systems (at least if the God is to be convincing or "real" at all), then a lack of an uber-active mirror neuron system should correlate with less religiosity. It's not an idealistic, self-aggrandizing, "we're more rational" explanation, but it still is a pretty good one.

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22 Apr 2011, 11:11 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:

blunnet wrote:

Bethie wrote:

Such as forcing your children to be vegans?

Yes, definitely.

No, definitely, for several reasons:

1. The practices (ethical) vegans oppose are empirically-evidenced, as are the potential health benefits of a plant-based diet, thus making dogmatic suppression of questioning (that being what differentiates indoctrination from other types of teaching) wholly unnecessary.
2. All parents MUST feed their children, an omnivorous diet being no less "forced" than a vegan one by virtue of the former being more popular. There is no legitimate "need" to tell a child he need fear eternal torment, in contrast.

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23 Apr 2011, 3:13 am

Master_Pedant wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

I see no reason why Aspies should be inherently immune to the basic silliness of religious superstition.

ruveyn

Please cite empirical evidence based on reproduced or replicated experiments. References to vetted refereed journals, if you please. Thank you.

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24 Apr 2011, 12:18 am

Bethie wrote:

Wether "yes, definitely" or "no, definitely", would depend on this:
If your child goes out, buys and eats meat outside home or with friends, as a vegan parent, would you be ok with that?

I don't care about 'empirically-evidenced' claims, "ethical" vegans are idealists, and this is about how much freedom of choice children have if they disagree with their parents' ideology and wether they are allowed to disagree with their parents' ideology, and if they can freely choose a different diet ("omnivorous" diet) or are forbidden to do so.

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24 Apr 2011, 9:15 am

blunnet wrote:

Bethie wrote:

I'm not a vegan parent, though I do wonder how what the child does outside the home negates the empirical nature of either the ethics or health issues involved. More importantly, the money he would buy meat (obviously veganism is an entire lifestyle, but that will do as an example) with would be the parents', so in essence it would be violating THEIR beliefs.

There's hardly anything "idealistic" about refusing to finance practices you find ethically abominable-
that's quite common, among any demographic.

I don't see what pain of agreement vegan children are under, as nothing they might be taught about the ramifications of such a lifestyle versus a more common one is made-up. Of course questioning is "allowed", because the "ideology" isn't devoid of any reasoning or scientific and ethical substance.

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24 Apr 2011, 4:00 pm

Bethie wrote:

There's hardly anything "idealistic" about refusing to finance practices you find ethically abominable-

Choosing a lifestyle or promoting an idea based on something you and others (which happens that not everyone agree with the ideas or methods), find ethically abominable, it IS idealistic.

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I don't see what pain of agreement vegan children are under, as nothing they might be taught about the ramifications of such a lifestyle versus a more common one is made-up. Of course questioning is "allowed", because the "ideology" isn't devoid of any reasoning or scientific and ethical substance.

Bottom line, children will always be under their parent's set of belief systems, being thauth on that, because the parents believe that is the best, that happens with Christianity, if you, as a parent, believe in Christ and all that (I'm not saying you are a christian nor a vegan, this is to illustrate), for you, it would be necessary to teach your children your beliefs. When it comes down to wether children can make a choice and how you, as a parent, react and handle that, *that is the issue*. Bringing "X is empirical based and Y is not", is pretty much meaningless, as this is regarding idealisms and lifestyles based on these (wether children are forced to follow X or Y)

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24 Apr 2011, 11:01 pm

I would imagine that proportionally to neurotypicals that a greater proportion of Aspies would be non-religious if not athiestic. I believe this to be likely as the Aspie mind is more akin to logic, science and a black and white view of the world. Without proof of some sort for a religious belief this mindset is more likely to reject relgious views. As a result, fewer aspies would look to religion to as a world view.

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25 Apr 2011, 9:07 am

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Do you have a factual basis for that hypothesis?

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27 Apr 2011, 12:47 am

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I am atheist, Antitheist actually

I can relate to this. I think of God and the universe as the same thing, as the force that can not be known or named but, religion, rituals and the like are no better than putting yourself in a box. I told that, and a few of my other thoughts on the matter, to someone once and he said I was a Taoist so, I looked it up and sure enough ... Guess I'm a born Taoist

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27 Apr 2011, 1:35 am

also look up 'pantheist.'

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27 Apr 2011, 1:49 am

I'm Atheist but I do sometimes tend to think of myself as Apatheist as well as I really don't care about proving or disproving God, it has no relevance to my life. I think superstition, supernatural, magic, is all fake, those is my thoughts on that matter... But honestly I could care less what people believe so long as it isn't harming others

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27 Apr 2011, 8:23 am

LKL wrote:

also look up 'pantheist.'

And also pant-theist.

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27 Apr 2011, 8:52 am

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I'm Atheist but I do sometimes tend to think of myself as Apatheist as well as I really don't care about proving or disproving God, it has no relevance to my life. I think superstition, supernatural, magic, is all fake, those is my thoughts on that matter... But honestly I could care less what people believe so long as it isn't harming others

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