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Mass, uncontrollable immigration, yes. Nothing wrong with that. There are lots of people here who are utterly sick of having 'racism' accusations bellowed at them because they don't want the make-up of their country so radically altered without their consent. The people of the countries that they come from wouldn't tolerate that sort of behaviour; why should we?

Huge difference between anti-mass immigration and being anti-immigrant. A lot of people are too thick to tell the difference though, and this saddens me.



If you mean we dislike people that commit crimes and generally make life hell for ordinary people, then yes. Otherwise we don't care if you're a gypsy or not.



I'm undecided on this issue. It gets my back up when the pro side uses nasty attack phrases like 'deniers' and so on.



I need more detail on this. Are you talking about the typical stereotype of a hang 'em/flog 'em Daily Mail reader?



I'm very big on liberties. Ever heard of the liberal right (classical liberals, libertarians)?



Depends on the circumstances.



That's a human problem, not something that is left v right.



Lefties are absolutely the same, if not worse for this sort of thing. Some of the self-indulgent hissy fits over "cuts" (that aren't) in this country are orchestrated by those people in public sector jobs whose jobs are often on the line.



That's really an authoritarian problem, rather than right v left.

The word 'bigot' is meaningless.

Do you believe that humans are more intelligent than chimpanzees? Yes? You're a filthy bigot that is intolerant.

You believe in fairies? Even in the class of sprites? Come look into this, Sir Arthur!

Take your greasy paws off me you damned dirty ape! --- Taylor in -Planet of the Apes-

Notice that I am responding to OP's caricature of a left-winger with an equally cartoonish caricature of a right-winger, nothing more.

I guess I'm a bit on the liberal side. However, I for one am too much a victim of my upbringing to feel comfortable with the more strained and uptight aspects of liberalism.

There is only so far that I can comply with political correctness, and after that point I am afraid I lapse. It's not so much out of having any axe to grind with the colored people--or whatever they like to be called now--as me just being too dang lazy to retrain my patterns of speech. The people of color around me think I'm old-fashioned and silly, but they also know that it was people in my position, who were too lazy and unprincipled to ever care much about color, who really broke the color barriers around here.

And let's see...I like making my own business, but I'm not really well versed enough at dealing with bureaucracy to fiddle with too much paperwork or jumping through hoops like old Flipper. Now, I'm not going to make very much of a political issue over regulation because my mentality doesn't run that way. Instead, it just so happens that I'm a little chummy with my district's representative, and a little wink and a nudge can eliminate little regulations inhibiting me in that respect.

Either that, or he'll explain to me why they are logical, and that pretty much ends it. The boy knows me, and he knows that I need to have things explained the way you would to a little toddler, you see. Because I trust him and know him, I know he wouldn't tell me one thing when he's thinking another.

I'm a corrupted and dirty S.O.B. in some respects, and I'm not sure I'm so much proud of it as I just don't give a hoot. What does matter to me is that I try to keep on good terms with the man or woman who represents me, so when there is something I personally have a need for out of my government, I usually don't have a problem getting it unless there is some good reason I shouldn't. If my representative doesn't want anything to do with me, I just take myself and my money to another district, and I'm just as comfortable.

That's about as sophisticated as my politics really get if you really want to know the truth. One thing that I do appreciate about my government more than anything, though, is that they educated me with the skills and know-how I need to be able to live very comfortably and never really have to work for a living. I know that not everybody thinks in that way, but I do.

I have been reading out of context very bad on this site. My apologues.

You have no idea on how the english language works. "Bigot" is used generally in the context of humans - mainly, when referring to generalized judgements about ethnic or cultural clusters of humans. Even if "bigotry" as a concept is extended to non-humans, it is usually regarded as quite a different concept (i.e. it's not "bigoted" to say that Chimps are less intelligent but it is to say they don't feel pain, etc).

Regardless, your "point" is based on a lame arse strawman. Nice try with the evasion, though.

Only to a bigot.

A bigot is a person who denies the facts to fit his reality.

How can we assess chimp intelligence?

- they make tools and use them to acquire foods, for social displays, etc
- they have sophisticated hunting strategies that require cooperation, and allow animals to achieve influence and rank by sharing meat
- they are highly status conscious and manipulative, capable of deception
- they are analytical and problem-solvers, clearly capable of insight and complex "cognitive performance" in both the wild and in captivity, and particularly adept at analyzing relative relationships
- language experiments have shown that chimps are creative, can learn to use symbols (and teach them to others) and understand aspects of human language including some relational syntax, concepts of number and numerical sequence

Then again...

- they are cannibalistic, and will eat their own young
- they play with (and sometimes eat) their feces
- they are rarely (if ever) toilet-trainable
- their language skills are limited to "point-and-grunt"

It is not bigotry to point out the obvious. Chimpanzees are less intelligent than humans aged 4 and up.

Some do. Mostly I find the term stupid as the etymology goes back to the strange medieval idea that Gypsies are Egyptian. Clearly they are not Egyptian so why refer to them as such?

I still find it laughable that the Romani people are an "issue" for this obviously racially bigoted OP.

Yes, it's highly painfull for master, because his ancestors are gypsies. Gypsies are regarded as highly criminal and uncouth in Europe. And DNA is there to stay, of course.

laughable and painful are not synonymous.

Let him with the unmingled milk of human kindness DNA first cast off his jeans - uh - NO! WAIT - genes!! !! !

Lefebvre is now one step away from being marginalized.

I was probably overstating it when I said 1/4 of whatever, as that was mainly for emphasis. My only knowledge of my ancestral composition comes from statements from my parents. But my maternal Great Great Grandmother was half Romani.

Nevertheless, I really don't find it painful so much as laughable. Like Jacoby, I find it a horrible outdated candidate for a 21st century "issue", but I guess that's the effect living in a multiethnic Prairie city has on one.

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in this example i will use coal power, be free to use any other company, there is always a cost somewhere if you look widely enough, same goes for people.
coal power contributes to the death of thousands of people each year, people that in large have little actual power to do anything.
it pushes medical costs directly onto individuals and doesnt help with global warming( a global issue).

the medical industry face resistant bacteria and new virals every year, many only made worse by our broad use of some treatments.

i thought it was obvious nothing is ever isolated completely in this world.

so while i dont know what should and shouldnt be the responsibility of who, i know we need to keep our responsibilities to each other, unknown or not(of course you cant do so before you find out, but at least then you should)

i also think that this is the primary issue in these debates, what should and shouldnt be the responsibility of the state, the companies and the people of a nation.