What will it take to convert you from atheism?

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Nothing could convert me from atheism. It was my realization when I was younger that since I cared for God so much, I shouldn't only believe in him when times were tough; it was disrespectful to that idea. If in some way God was able to inconclusively prove His presence I would not convert out of honesty to myself and that individual. I wouldn't want to fill his ranks if my heart wasn't behind it.

Never been in a foxhole, eh?!

yeah, okay. That's change my mind like that old "being mauled by a bear" argument.

I take it you've never been abandoned by your parents or have someone flick a cigarette butt in your eye on your way home from sunday school.

I can imagine you might believe (or might at least be willing to consider) God might actually free-will respect that free-will declaration of your own.

Yes, but then it might boil down to pure stubbornness with me that I wouldn't want to be on his team.

You could wear this one.

I won't be 'converting' from Atheism. I've never believed in God or been a part of any religion and my life is quite satisfactory. I have achieved a level of simplicity and happiness without needing to believe in some sort of higher power. I don't honestly see what believing does for people, or why believing in the supernatural is necessary. It is alien to me, or perhaps it is I that is the alien ...

Did you truly mis-read or are you trying to spin-in a given dogma?

The Hebrew exodus, wherever noted, is evidence of answer to prayer.


Ah, now I see: Your initial request for evidence had been disingenuous.

This is the holy salvation meme. God(tm) is its author. I
received it directly from God(tm). God(tm) is the meme and
the meme is God(tm).

It announces that you may be saved from eternal torture and
rewarded with infinite, eternal bliss by accepting its
claims and affording it opportunities to replicate itself.

Those who receive it and accept its claims and in whom it is
thus replicated will also be rewarded by infinite, eternal
bliss, if they in turn allow it further replication
opportunities.

Failure to do so will inevitably result in eternal torture.

Those who have never seen it will also suffer eternal
torture. All memeless human beings deserve eternal torture.

Those who reject it will also suffer eternal torture.

Examination of its claims through rational means will result
in eternal torture.

Blind obedience to its commands will guarantee infinite,
eternal bliss.

Attempting to stop its replication will result in eternal
torture.

Changing any aspect of the holy salvation meme will result
in eternal torture.

Standing on street corners, reciting the glad tidings of the
holy salvation meme, will increase the amount and duration
of your bliss.

Spreading the holy salvation meme through bulletin boards,
cable TV, books, newspapers, pamphlets, magazines,
print-outs and archive files will increase the amount and
duration of your bliss.

Those who are imbued with the holy salvation meme and who
further its replication are better than those who are not.

Group recitation of the holy salvation meme will increase
the amount and duration of your bliss.

Forcing non believers to participate in group recitations of
the holy salvation meme will increase the amount and
duration of your bliss.

Those who attempt to stop the holy salvation meme from
replicating are your enemies and may prevent you from
gaining your infinite, eternal bliss.

The most important thing you can do is to spread the holy
salvation meme. What can be worth more than infinite,
eternal bliss? The holy salvation meme is more important
than sex, food or working for a living.

Penance for rational thought, or temporary doubt, in regard
to the holy salvation meme, may be accomplished by sending
large amounts of money to the representative of the author.

Church of the Holy Salvation Meme
29, ch Grimes
Aylmer, Qc J9J 1H4
CANADA

(If, after dying, you fail to receive eternal and infinite
bliss, the meme and the Church guarantee you double your
karmic merit back.)

The doubts you are now having will cost you about $5.

Otherwise: [you guessed it] eternal torture.

Helping to spread the holy salvation meme will result in
immediate blessings in this world and increase the amount
and duration of your bliss in the next. Please send stories
that promote faith in the holy salvation meme to these
newsgroups, or to:

[email protected]

For instance, before I received the meme, the weather here
was cold and wet, and darkness was upon the land. Nothing
grew and the land was gripped with ice, and was sterile.
Now the sun doth shine and warmth spreads throughout the
region. Life has returned, and flowers bloom all around. I
prophesy that this warmth shall endure and the light shall
expand. Praise the meme!
(by Greg Erwin)

Are you really that blind to just how bad your logic is?

I asked for evidence ...

... and I showed you where the prayer of a nation had been answered.

I suspect you and I presently live by essential the same "level of simplicity and happiness" principles, and I would only add that it happened to take me a bit more time, failure and eventual "transformation" to finally "get there beside you", so to speak ...

... and now without imposing or forcing anything whatsoever upon you, I can say "God as you understand God" has made life as we now know it equally possible for each of us -- note: I did not say "both" there -- and I can say that in all sincerity from here even while accepting your "never believed in God" at all report from there.

Does that sit well enough with you?

... and I showed you where the prayer of a nation had been answered.

You quoted a book which claims divine authority ...