Same sex marriage
chrissyrun wrote:
cave_canem wrote:
What other things are you saying it is tied to?
I am saying that it is tied to the power of our nation. That if we have less people being made by our people, we will have less power.
That strategy sure hasn't worked so far. Government is in control... not the people.
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Sweetleaf wrote:
and what exactly is so great about 'our people' as you put it........I am not much of a nationalist so I really have no sense of 'we must make more babies to create more national power'. I guess.
This is the chosen land! This is america. There is nothing wrong with wanting to further this nation. Don't you like the freedom that we enjoy? This is the country that started it: America.
Yes, creating babies does create more power for our nations because it creates more workers, and etc.
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
That strategy sure hasn't worked so far. Government is in control... not the people.
Finally, something I can kinda agree with. That is why the people need to take back the nation! But that isn't going to happen anytime soon with everyone in such wickedness. If the people are corrupt: it makes sense that our leaders are corrupt.
chrissyrun wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
and what exactly is so great about 'our people' as you put it........I am not much of a nationalist so I really have no sense of 'we must make more babies to create more national power'. I guess.
This is the chosen land! This is america. There is nothing wrong with wanting to further this nation. Don't you like the freedom that we enjoy? This is the country that started it: America.
Yes, creating babies does create more power for our nations because it creates more workers, and etc.
I didn't realize marriage was based on babies, or that there was only one way to acquire one.
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chrissyrun wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
That strategy sure hasn't worked so far. Government is in control... not the people.
Finally, something I can kinda agree with. That is why the people need to take back the nation! But that isn't going to happen anytime soon with everyone in such wickedness. If the people are corrupt: it makes sense that our leaders are corrupt.
Wickedness! I'll keep that in mind the next time I drool over a nice rack.
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TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
I didn't realize marriage was based on babies, or that there was only one way to acquire one.
Marriage is based on families...the definition of a family is a mom+dad+kids...and everybody is trying to change that.
Yes, you can adopt, but the true way is to have it naturally. Plus, if we keep on taking the teen-mom babies (because a lot of teh adoptees are ultimately going to be that with more gay marriages) then there will be less people and there might be more disease.
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chrissyrun wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Actually animals do exibit homosexual behavior....and sex does not have to be for pregnancy if that is all it is for you cool, but don't push it on othe people and then act like you're high and mighty because you don't have sex for pleasure. And the entire world is not going to turn homosexual, so relax there will still be pleanty of people willing to have sex for reproduction purposes.
And naturally speaking humans are not even defined to two genders, that is another thing your religion probably wants you to think is 'un-natural' and wrong. And I really do not think a few biased people from ancient times know much about people today so though the bible has some value as a historical document it should not be taken litterally. What I also find funny is how a lot of christians pick and choose what they want to follow such as homosexuality being wrong but completely ignore most everything else.
And the only thing that defined 'normal marrige' is society and quite frankly I am sick of this societies close mindedness. and finally some straight people cannot have children, some people that end up with an undefined gender probably cannot naturally have kids either so yeah get off your high horse.
Really?! Because I've never heard of that, and those animals are stupid.
You didn't read everything that I wrote.
chrissyrun wrote:
(Oh, and within a normal marriage, it is ok to "enjoy" sex with one partner that they love, but the problem is...the gays feel guilty for not being in marriage and have sex: so they want the marriage thing. However, it is not right for them even if they are married because they can NEVER have children naturallly and thus are skewing the ultimate purpose of sex)
See my argument. It doesn't have to be just for procreation, but that is ultimately what it is made for.
I am not acting high and mighty, I am stating my opinion. Did I ever say that I was better than the people. No, it is just that normal marriage is the correct option. Not the people....THE ACTION.
Who knows if the whole world is going to go gay. It's the last days anyways, anything can happen.
YES, MAN AND WOMAN. There are a few people who are accidentally born with both the parts, but there are tons of medical anomalies. It is defined that way, what else would it be defined as?
They do though, can't you see that they had the same problems. Sodom and Gomorra had gay people too, and a few other places that I can't remember right now. They would know, but you would just like to follow the latest trend instead of following what is tried, tested, and true...and recorded for our help!
Um, NO! I follow pretty much follow everything in the bible. Or I try my best, and the D+C and the book of Mormon, and the pearl of great price, and my prophet and leaders with modern day revelation who say that gay marriage is wrong. I am not trying to be prideful, I have sinned. I am not perfect. BUT, I ALWAYS try to repent because I am trying to become more godlike. I am trying. And that is really judgmental of you. If you don't even know what is in the bible, how can you know if I am following it?
No, normal marriage has been in religion for many years and the family is the unit of heavenly Father that brings us closer to perfection...since you brought it up. Our cultures have been that way for 1000's of years, but it has only been recently (and way back when in the bible) when people decided to defy it.
But it is all about intent!! !! If the people can't have kids, most of them have tried!! !
You are right I did not read everything you wrote and I told you why to. Also, where is the logic in claiming animals not humans mind you but animals in nature who exibit homosexual behavior are stupid?
Also I say following everything in the bible is a very bad thing as to me it shows you cannot think for yourself or choose not to. But hey its your choice I just do not think it is valid for everyone.....and certainly should not be pushed on everyone via legislation. Also it is judgemental of you to assume I do not know what the bible says, I grew up christian and as soon as I started really studying the beliefs and actually thinking about them I realised there was no way I could follow something like that.
And I am sure your version of a normal marrige has existed in religion for a long time, but not everyone follows religions and not all religions/spiritual beliefs have such rules.
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chrissyrun wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
I didn't realize marriage was based on babies, or that there was only one way to acquire one.
Marriage is based on families...the definition of a family is a mom+dad+kids...and everybody is trying to change that.
Yes, you can adopt, but the true way is to have it naturally. Plus, if we keep on taking the teen-mom babies (because a lot of teh adoptees are ultimately going to be that with more gay marriages) then there will be less people and there might be more disease.
So a family consisting of a mom, dad and adopted children is not a true family?
chrissyrun wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
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Wickedness! I'll keep that in mind the next time I drool over a nice rack.
Wickedness! I'll keep that in mind the next time I drool over a nice rack.
What?
*inches closer to chrissyrun* Would you like to be wicked with me?I promise I don't bite... unless you're into that sort of thing.
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Sweetleaf wrote:
chrissyrun wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
I didn't realize marriage was based on babies, or that there was only one way to acquire one.
Marriage is based on families...the definition of a family is a mom+dad+kids...and everybody is trying to change that.
Yes, you can adopt, but the true way is to have it naturally. Plus, if we keep on taking the teen-mom babies (because a lot of teh adoptees are ultimately going to be that with more gay marriages) then there will be less people and there might be more disease.
So a family consisting of a mom, dad and adopted children is not a true family?
Of course not. I suppose my kids don't have a true family either since my husband and I are getting a divorce.
... or is that okay because we had them biologically?
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chrissyrun wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
and what exactly is so great about 'our people' as you put it........I am not much of a nationalist so I really have no sense of 'we must make more babies to create more national power'. I guess.
This is the chosen land! This is america. There is nothing wrong with wanting to further this nation. Don't you like the freedom that we enjoy? This is the country that started it: America.
Yes, creating babies does create more power for our nations because it creates more workers, and etc.
I like true freedom for all people to be honest, but yes since I live in this nation obviously the first place for me to start if I wanted to influence anything would be here in the U.S......but I do not think I am superior to anyone from another nation just because of my nationality. And we are not as free as you think when you really look at it.
chrissyrun wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
and what exactly is so great about 'our people' as you put it........I am not much of a nationalist so I really have no sense of 'we must make more babies to create more national power'. I guess.
This is the chosen land! This is america. There is nothing wrong with wanting to further this nation. Don't you like the freedom that we enjoy? This is the country that started it: America.
Yes, creating babies does create more power for our nations because it creates more workers, and etc.
Using patriotism to back an argument is weak at best.
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Sweetleaf wrote:
You are right I did not read everything you wrote and I told you why to. Also, where is the logic in claiming animals not humans mind you but animals in nature who exibit homosexual behavior are stupid?
Also I say following everything in the bible is a very bad thing as to me it shows you cannot think for yourself or choose not to. But hey its your choice I just do not think it is valid for everyone.....and certainly should not be pushed on everyone via legislation. Also it is judgemental of you to assume I do not know what the bible says, I grew up christian and as soon as I started really studying the beliefs and actually thinking about them I realised there was no way I could follow something like that.
And I am sure your version of a normal marrige has existed in religion for a long time, but not everyone follows religions and not all religions/spiritual beliefs have such rules.
Also I say following everything in the bible is a very bad thing as to me it shows you cannot think for yourself or choose not to. But hey its your choice I just do not think it is valid for everyone.....and certainly should not be pushed on everyone via legislation. Also it is judgemental of you to assume I do not know what the bible says, I grew up christian and as soon as I started really studying the beliefs and actually thinking about them I realised there was no way I could follow something like that.
And I am sure your version of a normal marrige has existed in religion for a long time, but not everyone follows religions and not all religions/spiritual beliefs have such rules.
Ok, but the other stuff you didn't read either.
The number one rule in any debate is to know the argument of both sides.
That's just personal opinion about the animals.
I can think for myself, I've had to make conscious decisions in my life about the things I follow. For instance: I used to swear. Nobody, aside from myself told me to stop, heck, my parents do. But I decided...me, that I wanted to follow that rule. Because "wickedness never was happiness" Alma 41:10. Yes, there are people who blindly follow, but that would not be me, I have a testimony and I am always striving to keep my testimony of what I believe. I study every day (or try my best to)
It's not being pushed on them. Actually, it is being pushed onto us because sooner or later they will be putting the gay thing in school and everyone will want to follow it because it is "cool" when it really is wicked.
But, I am sorry that I judged that you didn't read the bible. Please forgive me on that aspect. I was only inferring because it didn't seem like you knew that gayness was around in times of the bible.
For most of history, people have followed religions actually. It is a recent thing that people go astray. Religion was the social structure over gov't for some time.
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
Of course not. I suppose my kids don't have a true family either since my husband and I are getting a divorce.
... or is that okay because we had them biologically?
... or is that okay because we had them biologically?
They had a true family, and you are still their mom, same for the dad. And while divorce is a negative and discouraged...it is certainly better than gay marriage.