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25 Jul 2011, 11:23 am

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And there is NO WAY a human being could possibly study mutation without The Origin of Species?

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Guys, guys, think. Please. Okay - Orwell tells us "Certainly people would still be doing anatomy and biochemistry and immunology. But they would not be doing them nearly as well, they would be wasting a lot of time on dead ends, and they would be missing a lot of important insights that enable greater advances."

So - what about the great theoretical breakthroughs that DIDN'T happen? We are wasting time on dead ends exploring simply because Suffodiation Theory will not be conceived until 2137. We have over a century to go before we understand that DNA is nothing but an organic Suffodiant - if Darwin had only worked on Suffodiation instead of evolution we might be sailing the planet toward Beta Cygni by now, using the moon as a radation source.

Science has always wasted timde on dead ends and always will. Ask Edison - it is not valueless to recognize something doesn'tg work. Every minute and dollar spent on ProtoCushitic or extracting DNA from trilobites [very cute little things, but I bet some were nasty and there was not that much usable meat in them] is taken away from something else.


Darwin's book was the first to propose descent with modification by natural selection. It was formulated before a mechanism for inheritance was completely understood. Since 1930 the theory of genetics has been merged with the theory of evolution and it turns out that Darwin was remarkably close. -Origins- is the founding work of a field that has grown greatly in scope and strength. It is now backed by molecular chemistry and biology. In all the years the theory has been out there (since 1859) it has not been falsified empirically.

The evidence backing the theory of evolution is stronger than ever.

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Is there any evidence that you read that to which you respond?

WHERE did I say anything remotely like the fairy gold attack on evolutionary Theory you appear to be addressing?

We had a secretary like that - if she could not read what you said or hear what uou dictated she would just type in any old garbage.,



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25 Jul 2011, 12:43 pm

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A few words please on how Evolutionary Theory [and which recension] is essential to HIV research?

This is not an idle question - if the polemic were sole or prime interest I would hardly bother..

Actually, evolutionary biology as applied to HIV has been used in court cases (there was an instance of deliberate infection, but HIV evolves so rapidly that essentially every infected individual has a unique strain of it). Evolutionary biology helps us to understand the origin of HIV, which can give us insight into how to treat it. Evolutionary biology is also important for directing influenza research, the quiet behind-the-scenes work of developing new vaccines that goes on every year and saves hundreds of thousands of lives. It also has applications in agriculture, and knowledge gained from evolutionary biology allows us to design better practices which in turn result in greater crop yield, saving many more people from starvation.

I have no idea what your incoherent tangent about "suffodiation" was intended to show.


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25 Jul 2011, 12:45 pm

Philologos wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Philologos wrote:

And there is NO WAY a human being could possibly study mutation without The Origin of Species?

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Guys, guys, think. Please. Okay - Orwell tells us "Certainly people would still be doing anatomy and biochemistry and immunology. But they would not be doing them nearly as well, they would be wasting a lot of time on dead ends, and they would be missing a lot of important insights that enable greater advances."

So - what about the great theoretical breakthroughs that DIDN'T happen? We are wasting time on dead ends exploring simply because Suffodiation Theory will not be conceived until 2137. We have over a century to go before we understand that DNA is nothing but an organic Suffodiant - if Darwin had only worked on Suffodiation instead of evolution we might be sailing the planet toward Beta Cygni by now, using the moon as a radation source.

Science has always wasted timde on dead ends and always will. Ask Edison - it is not valueless to recognize something doesn'tg work. Every minute and dollar spent on ProtoCushitic or extracting DNA from trilobites [very cute little things, but I bet some were nasty and there was not that much usable meat in them] is taken away from something else.


Darwin's book was the first to propose descent with modification by natural selection. It was formulated before a mechanism for inheritance was completely understood. Since 1930 the theory of genetics has been merged with the theory of evolution and it turns out that Darwin was remarkably close. -Origins- is the founding work of a field that has grown greatly in scope and strength. It is now backed by molecular chemistry and biology. In all the years the theory has been out there (since 1859) it has not been falsified empirically.

The evidence backing the theory of evolution is stronger than ever.

ruveyn


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Is there any evidence that you read that to which you respond?

WHERE did I say anything remotely like the fairy gold attack on evolutionary Theory you appear to be addressing?

We had a secretary like that - if she could not read what you said or hear what uou dictated she would just type in any old garbage.,

If your argument is that evolutionary biology should be dismissed for an alleged lack of practical application, rather than for being wrong, you are perhaps worse than keet on this.


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25 Jul 2011, 3:47 pm

Orwell wrote:
Philologos wrote:
Is there any evidence that you read that to which you respond?

WHERE did I say anything remotely like the fairy gold attack on evolutionary Theory you appear to be addressing?

We had a secretary like that - if she could not read what you said or hear what uou dictated she would just type in any old garbage.,

If your argument is that evolutionary biology should be dismissed for an alleged lack of practical application, rather than for being wrong, you are perhaps worse than keet on this.


Gee, thanks.