Gun "control" - to protect or disarm the citizens?

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So do I. Unfortunately, f*****g EU forces them to make coward gun laws to get the privilege to be members of the treaty of Schengen. But most Swiss males still have their very high effective German rifles in their homes.

Amen. These naïve poor suckers really tire you of, don't they.



Amen again. I just wish I had been born an American.

Yes, it is important to "Disagree without being Disagreeable" on this issue. After all, once the discussion is over, we have to get the anti-gunners into the gun store and buying their first gun!! !! !

Yeah and when they Go Gun they want Go back to Gandhi. One smell of that gun
powder and they will be burning their green party socialist cards.

have you seen the bill of non-rights?

I just got it on email and thinks its very good

http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/law/non-rights.htm

PS - Quartermass - glad you poked your head up in here again.

Excuse me? I've fired an air rifle before. And I actually vote (normally) for Labour here in Australia. That's sort of centre-left, not extreme-left.

And don't knock Gandhi. He did a hell of a lot by just sitting in the way. He got shot, and he died, but he became a symbol of the power of peaceful resistance.

So there.

BTW, here is a good IQ test for gun owners (those who aren't responsible, so Bazza doesn't need to apply): put it in your mouth (loaded, cocked, in good condition and full of live rounds), and see how many times you can pull the trigger. Then, measure the amount of brain on the wall.

Heheheheheheheh.

(At the moment, I'm listening to Dancing Mad's first part, so I'm feeling a bit devilish)

Cool your making progress . Now your supporting the use of guns to kill yourself give this
thread a few more days and you will be supporting good old fashion using guns to kill
people who snore to loud at night.

What about Mad Max Quatermass thats how it is in the US we need our guns to get
the g*d d*mn gas!! !

I have never watched Mad Max, and feel no particular inclination to, although considering that I'm trying to watch Fistful of Dollars, that may not be far off.

As for that, the IQ test was whether anyone would be dumb enough to do that just to test their intelligence. It's like the IQ test from the Pilot of Red Dwarf where Lister tricks Petersen into doing an IQ test where you stick a coin on your forehead, then whack yourself on the back of your head. The amount of times you can do that till the coin comes off. However, Lister tricks Petersen (lightheartedly) by nicking the coin off Petersen's head before he does it, and Petersen kepps whacking himself on the head. It's like that, only it permanently removes the idiots. Think of it as self-pruning the evolutionary tree.

It's all about the oil, innit?

Remember what one of the US Politicians (I think it was Secretary of State) said immediately following World War 2: "Our goal is not to make the world safe for democracy, but to make it safe for the United States."

We should have the right to arm the bears.

Mad Max is a classic - just the first one. I don't think it was ever meant to be a trilogy. Don't bother to look at the one that had Tina Turner - just crap.

Has one of my favorite movie lines: "you wanna get out of here? You talk to me!
Other:
"I love the smell of napalm in the morning", "Charlie don't surf", Don't get off the boat" - Appocolypse now. Should start a thread.

If you want to try skeet - Field & Game Australia are putting on a number of free introductory shoots. Look at www.fga.net.au for details.

Yeah that Tina Turner movie sucked but I liked the song.

Yeah I was shocked that Quatermass had not watched Mad Max. Oh in the US they
dubbed the the sound track because they thought Americans would never understand
the Aussie voices. I bet the real version is better.

I'm bumping this because this was an excellent flaming ground.

(Casts Firaja)

Ooops. Sorry. Been playing too much Final Fantasy.

Okay, say that the government took away your guns. What would you do to oppose said government (assuming it is a dictatorship).

Quartermass, ... don't know. I am a law abiding citizen and I don't oppose governments except in the ballot box.

On one hand, I believe it is an economic truth that all bad systems eventually fail. The USSR is a great recent example. Going backwards, had the cold war turned into a shooting war, the end result (the downfall of the USSR) would be the same, but at possible catastrophic consequences. You don't need a "shooting war", just wait for the inevietable.

Extrapolating back in time, had Nazism been met with pacifism, I'm sure that system too would have collapsed. Possibly by the an eventual successful assassination of Hitler, or just gradually the same way the USSR collapsed. Would it be better to avoid war and the suffering of millions could have been avoided. Going back further, what had WWI been replaced by pacifism, WW2 would have been avoided.

However having celtic/norse ancestry, pacifism is not in my nature. If the government took away registered guns there are still a lot of unregistered guns they can't find. For example my grandfathers 1902 Winchester, while being condemned to be destroyed, was not.

Thru work with gun clubs, I know that Supt Detman (Vic Pol) was worried about the very large number of Statuatory Declarations they were getting saying that registered guns were "accidentally" dropped over the side of boats etc.

Don't think the government can ever confiscate all guns.

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I personally do not agree with overall pacifism, as of course, there ARE things that need to be fought for. I'd prefer socialism (not communism, it's closer to "true" anarchy than communism), but of course, I know THAT's not gonna happen.

It's hard to see how precisely WWI and WW2 could have been avoided, in hindsight. Remember, fascism was developing in more countries than just Germany. What about England, with Mosley? And let's not forget Benito "Il Duce Fatboy" Mussolini. And the Japanese, while not strictly speaking fascist, may have caused WW2 themselves. Might the Holocaust have been avoided if Hitler had been assasinated? Only maybe if the whole German cabinet went down with him, and perhaps a disaster, maybe bigger or maybe even smaller than the Holocaust may have happened. Remember that the Japanese had their own "Holocaust" with the Chinese and the Koreans. Even the Germans treated their POWs with more respect than the Japanese at the time.

(Now excuse me while I put on some asbestos clothing.)

Brief history lesson (my understanding - not necessarily 100% correct) - Victoria, Australia:
c1950 - hunting groups ask Victorian government to introduce a longarm licence and to use the income from it for game conservation.
c1950 - push in Australia to ban all pistols.
1956 - Melbourne gets Olympics - pistols not banned a/c Olympic sports
1958 - Victorian Firearms Act bans military style rifles (I think) - incl ex Army 303 bolt actions and gives police power to search homes without a search permit if they "think" there are illegal guns inside.
c1963? - Firearms act amened to reduce police powers (after misuse and lobbying by civil liberty groups) and remove prohibition on ex-miliatry longarms (previous provisions were not workable)
1987 - Julian Knight murders 7 people in Hoddle St using FN L1A1 SLR 7.62 Nato (ex army). Subsequently Victoria bans military style semi-autos and introduces registration of long arms.
NSW Premier says there will be no effective gun control in Australia until there is a massacre in Tasmania (tasmania has most relaxed laws). This gives rise to later conspiracy theory.
1995 - Martin Bryant has several complaints made against him for illegal use of firearms. He is unlicenced and guns illegally owned. Tasmanian police do nothing.
1996 In lead up to State Elections, Pat McNamara (deputy Premier) promises to abolish registration as it is a waste of time and money.
1996 - Martin Bryant Murders 19 people. His Colt AR15 (5.56) and FN (7.62) would not cycle and he has to load it manually, single shot at a time.
John Howard has new gun legislation ready and waiting for an incident like this and forces all States to adopt in. John Howard wears flack jackets when he meets groups of sporting shooters and calls us "public health risk". The media is right behind him.
All semi-autos and pump shotguns are banned. There is a compulsory "buy-back" and guns destroyed. Police again have powers to search your home without a permit if they "think" there are guns inside.
2002 A licenced pistol shooter murders 2 at university. Since 1996 Gun Clubs were not required by law to recommend a person's application for a licence. Had this been the case, this person would have never got a licence (no one at the range liked him, thought he was an unstable delusional psycho - which turned out to be true). In spite of that, the government again takes the opportunity to ride public horror to ban pistols > 9mm and only semi-autos of a type used in Olimpic competition are allowed. As part of the buy back you have to surrender your pistol licence for 5 years. As a consequence, many pistol clubs fold.

There is a conspiracy theory that says the Port Arthur massacre 1996 was a Psyop.
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/port_arthur.htm

Moral:
Pistol shooters didn't worry about long arm laws - not my problem. Target shotgunners didn't worry about new laws - didn't affect them. Divided we fall.

We lost the battle for "hearts and minds". SSAA opposed ALL tightening of ALL gun laws. We should have lobbied for Tasmania to come into line with more responsible States. Then we would have had credibility arguing against unreasonable measures. However, given the government had proposed legislation in the bottom drawer waiting for a suitable massacre as an opportunity I don't know if it would have done any good.