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14 Oct 2011, 3:36 pm

It is not only that there is no proof for the god hypothesis. There is not even a good reason to look into it. There are several definitions of god and religions around but none of them are based on real observations or explain anything in any useful way.

It is a failed idea.



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14 Oct 2011, 4:48 pm

AceOfSpades wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
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I'm an atheist and I don't have anything I can give God credit for yet. It's that simple.


Like I said. There is no empirical evidence to support the belief that God exists.

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Well it isn't just that there's no empirical evidence, but that I don't even "feel" that a God exists.


Your "feelings" and mine are not worth sh*t. Only facts matter.

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Uh ok? I don't know what you're getting at or where you're going with this.


What he is trying to say in his brusque manner is that someone's feelings don't determine the existence of something.



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14 Oct 2011, 4:51 pm

Joker wrote:
Fnord wrote:
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Faith Proves Nothing

Just because one, two, or many persons believe that proposition x is valid, their belief does not in any way contribute to the validity of proposition x; and no matter how popular a belief may be, popularity does not contribute in any way to the validity of that belief, either.
Therefor discussing religion is a waste of time. ruven

Exactly. Nothing makes for a more stupid argument than one involving politics, religion, sexuality, or any combination thereof.


I agree with you :wink:


Anyone who believes what is said above is wrong. Why can I say this? Because the fact is that people who want to believe in what they currently believe over the truth will always obscure in their own mind the paradoxes that make what they believe impossible.



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14 Oct 2011, 4:53 pm

Fnord wrote:
Philosophy (n): 1. A route of many roads leading from nowhere to nothing; 2. A means by which pseudo-intellectuals pleasure themselves with words; 3. A method of converting simple and obvious facts into complex and unbelievable paradoxes.


These are the statements of a person who sacrifices good sense for comedic appeal.



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14 Oct 2011, 4:58 pm

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:lol: I find it funny that a atheist would care enough to debate the existince of God whom they dont belive exsists in the first place


I find it enlightening that you say that, because it shows that unlike these atheists you aren't willing to challenge or grapple with the arguments of whether a God does or does not exist, thus meaning that you are not objective.



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14 Oct 2011, 5:07 pm

blunnet wrote:
These are my proofs (ontological arguments) that God exist:
#1
It's possible that God exists
therefore God exists

Aha, thin end of the wedge, my old friend. Do come in!
Possibility doesn't mean proof. There's a possibility from your point of view that I might be a purple dragon wearing an eyepatch called Dirk Steel, but that doesn't mean I am one.
Possibility is not proof.

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The thought of God that looks after us is a nice thing
The thought of no god is a sad thing
therefore, God exists.

This is an argument from incredulity from the other side. The idea of God not existing is too awful to imagine! It's also a huge fallacy because the case would be that God not existing right now seems to have no effect on you.

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#3
Heaven is a nice place to live
Hell is eternal torment
therefore, God exists.

What is this? Value judgements again? What would be nice and what would be bad is not proof of existence.

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Atheists are annoying
therefore, God exists.

Broad-based discrimination against a class of people is disgusting, therefore you don't exist.

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Without the ten commandments, people will do whatever they want and harm whoever they want
therefore, God exists.

The idea that you only do something because a God ordered you to is the most ignoble thing I ever heard any christian say. Furthermore your Ten commandments were never applied universally either across the Earth, and no foreign nation seemed worse for wear compared to Europe during its medieval christian heyday.

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Next door neighbor's wife is so fine that she must have been designed intelligently,
therefore there is a designer,
therefore, God exists.
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Value judgement again. Because something is fine it must have been designed. This ignores any other explanation whatsoever about how something can be the way it is.