Why don't the British make Britain a Republic?

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14 Jan 2012, 8:25 am

Tequila wrote:
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hi tequila, feel inclined to replying to this yet?


Sure.

I think what David Starkey meant was that young white people from that area had picked up a particular kind of black culture and a malformed way of speaking that I consider regressive and often difficult to understand. I don't think he was racist because I don't think there is a link there with black people who become successful - they don't adopt "white" mannerisms (as some bigoted black people with sour grapes would have it), they simply become professional people much like anyone else would.


not at all. he said an archetypal successful black man would be mistaken for a white man if you heard him speak without seeing him. he was very explicit in this.

the fact is people from all races can be successful, and don't have to pander to white cultural norms to do this, although the culturally racist nature of society makes it easier for them if they do, depending on the area in which they desire success.

he also specifically stated that whites have become black. he equates rioting with black culture. it's very clear.


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They drop the accent, put on a nice set of clothes and so on. Just like white people or indeed people of any other creed or colour. Just ask the black autistics on WP who have said - more than once - that they are sick and fed up of the limiting nature of the "black" culture they live in.


i might say the same about white culture. also why should black people drop the accent? it's easy enough for white glaswegians to become successful without dropping their accent. why should it be different for black londoners? many south east asian people, for example, are successful without adopting white british dress code and accent.
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So no, again, I don't believe he is racist. I think he was referring to a certain culture within black society (that is very controversial even amongst blacks as far as I can tell) rather than all or even most black people.


regardless, he explicitly said that the culture of violence and rioting has origins in the black community, as if it had never existed prior, which is revisionist in the extreme. if knife crime suddenly became more prevalent, would we blame white culture, since it was prevalent in glasgow in the sixties?
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Also, see a video clip of this lady giving out to the looters that went viral:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCS7c__OSBw[/youtube]


surely this undermines your argument, since her manner of speech is colloquially london carribean?


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16 Jan 2012, 12:26 pm

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If you want to see what happens when someone exercises their reserve powers look no further than the 1975 Australian Constitutional Crisis.

In Australia the Governor-General (GG) has a great deal of power, that the people usually assume, they will never use. The GG is the Queen's representative and exercises most of her authority. So in 1975 the GG actually used his power, threw out the government and handed power to the opposition. It was a huge moment, an unelected GG putting into place an unelected opposition. You would naturally expect the public to be pretty annoyed, but they weren't. The Australian public, when they had the chance, voted the opposition into power in their own right and the power of the GG remains in place. The key factor was that the average Aussie wanted the government out, so the GG never got his head chopped off in the vein of Charles I.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_Austr ... nal_crisis


Bear in mind, this was a Government that could not secure supply because they had lost their majority in the Senate and was using a combination of Governor-General's warrants and illegal loans to finance government operations to muddle through until the half-Senate elections due the following year (at which they hoped to recover a majority in the Senate).

The Prime Minister categorically refused to recommend a dissolution (which is the proper resolution of a loss of confidence), whereas the Leader of the Opposition was willing to pass the budget in the Senate (it had already been passed in the House) and then immediately recommend a dissolution. So what was a responsible Governor-General to do? The Prime Minister was, arguably, acting unconsitutionally, and the Leader of the Opposition was prepared to take the issue to the electorate. The "undemocratic" Crown, taking advice from an unelected Prime Minister, put the matter entirely back in the hands of the Australian people. Not quite the violation of democratic principles that Whitlam's partisans have always made it out to be.


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