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ruveyn
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12 Jan 2012, 8:01 pm

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Just asked because you don't strike me as a weeping kind of person.


I am capable of feeling bad and sad. But, you are right, I rarely make tears.

I fear that the Republic is in great jeopardy.

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12 Jan 2012, 8:26 pm

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Citizens in this country possess a range of power if they have money, if not then not so much.
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Positive change will not come through playing along with this BS system.....the elections are just a freaking act put on so people can feel like they are accomplishing something by voting for politicians who tell them what they want to hear. I also have every right to complain as I have educated myself on the issues and know how I feel about it.
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It's not apathy I think things do need to change, but voting isen't going to do anything, again positive change will not be made through the current system.
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Still not much point.


Deafeatist nonsense.

You have clothes on your back. You have food in your stomach. You have a home. You have an internet connection with myriad sources for news and information. You have the freedom to b***h about how terrible your government, your political leadership and your country are. You have a vote.

How many people in the world lack one or more of these things?

I don't suggest for a moment that our countries and our economies are perfect. But change most certainly can and does happen. But not if people simply go home and complain that change isn't happening without stirring themselves to make it happen.

If you don't like what business is doing, then hit business where it hurts--its revenues. Get onto twitter and facebook and start a consumer revolution.


So I should just go along with the BS because I have food in my stomach, a home(at the moment, my mom has every right to kick me out whenver the hell she wants and there's not a damn thing I can do about it), an internet connection and freedom of speech? I think that's what's defeatest just going along with a flawed system expecting positive change through it.

Also knowing that part of the reason many people in the world lack these things is the U.S foriegn policy and Corporate america's love for exploitation of people and resources does not exactly make me feel good about having clothes, food, a place to live ect.


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12 Jan 2012, 8:31 pm

GoonSquad wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
snapcap wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:

Positive change will not come through playing along with this BS system.....the elections are just a freaking act put on so people can feel like they are accomplishing something by voting for politicians who tell them what they want to hear. I also have every right to complain as I have educated myself on the issues and know how I feel about it.


So you're waiting for negative change sitting on your hands? The system sucks because of the same apathy that you show. 41% of people went into the Iowa caucuses not knowing who they were voting for. The figure was 56% for NH. Why do they bother going at all if they don't know what the heck is going on? I don't think your attitude will bring any change that you would like.


It's not apathy I think things do need to change, but voting isen't going to do anything, again positive change will not be made through the current system.


Is it time to hoist the black flag and start slitting throats? :rambo:


I am not advocating violence if that's what you mean, besides I am pretty sure that would be a stupid idea on the internet anyways.


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12 Jan 2012, 9:45 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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Is it time to hoist the black flag and start slitting throats? :rambo:
Arrrggghhh! ruveyn

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12 Jan 2012, 9:45 pm

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How about a few home truths?

Citizen in your country possess a range of power, prosperity and freedom matched by only few others. Those of us who share this prosperity and freedom would do well to remember that no matter how flawed our political and economic systems might be, we are, nonetheless, among the most privileged of people.

There is much that merits reform, to be sure. But to suggest that our capitals are "FUBAR" is hyperbole. There are billions of people in the world who would risk everything in order to live in countries as f***ed up as ours.


Ahhh, the old "you don't know how good you have it, now don't complain." response.

True, we have it a lot better than most of the world, but that's no reason we shouldn't strive for even better.
We must remain eternally vigilant of those who would manipulate governments for their own gain.

I just see that the corruption in Washington DC is do deep and so rampant, that no amount of legislation, or any one "perfect" candidate will change how dysfunctional american politics has become. The US system of government needs to be stripped down to the bone and re built from scratch. Starting with an idea of the separation of business & state. Big money has corrupted the system severely. Now, I'm not denouncing capitalism, I'm just saying they need to get out of the government.

Instead of just passing new laws to fix things, how about we go back through the books and remove the tomes and tomes of bad laws first.


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13 Jan 2012, 3:06 am

I think Americans are just afraid of rocking the boat. Most of us probably don't like the way our government is, but people are afraid that if they don't keep putting Demoasses and Republif*cks in office it will mess up the societal order. But guess what? The order we have sucks.



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13 Jan 2012, 5:17 am

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I think Americans are just afraid of rocking the boat. Most of us probably don't like the way our government is, but people are afraid that if they don't keep putting Demoasses and Republif*cks in office it will mess up the societal order. But guess what? The order we have sucks.


And besides, many Americans want their little "goodies" from the Government. There is nothing quite so delicious as a Free Lunch.

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13 Jan 2012, 11:50 am

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Ahhh, the old "you don't know how good you have it, now don't complain." response.

True, we have it a lot better than most of the world, but that's no reason we shouldn't strive for even better.
We must remain eternally vigilant of those who would manipulate governments for their own gain.

I just see that the corruption in Washington DC is do deep and so rampant, that no amount of legislation, or any one "perfect" candidate will change how dysfunctional american politics has become. The US system of government needs to be stripped down to the bone and re built from scratch. Starting with an idea of the separation of business & state. Big money has corrupted the system severely. Now, I'm not denouncing capitalism, I'm just saying they need to get out of the government.

Instead of just passing new laws to fix things, how about we go back through the books and remove the tomes and tomes of bad laws first.


When did I ever say, "don't complain?" Read carefully. I was quite clear in saying that there is much that merits reform. I simply said that compaint should be free from hyperbole.


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13 Jan 2012, 8:59 pm

visagrunt wrote:
pete1061 wrote:
Ahhh, the old "you don't know how good you have it, now don't complain." response.

True, we have it a lot better than most of the world, but that's no reason we shouldn't strive for even better.
We must remain eternally vigilant of those who would manipulate governments for their own gain.

I just see that the corruption in Washington DC is do deep and so rampant, that no amount of legislation, or any one "perfect" candidate will change how dysfunctional american politics has become. The US system of government needs to be stripped down to the bone and re built from scratch. Starting with an idea of the separation of business & state. Big money has corrupted the system severely. Now, I'm not denouncing capitalism, I'm just saying they need to get out of the government.

Instead of just passing new laws to fix things, how about we go back through the books and remove the tomes and tomes of bad laws first.


When did I ever say, "don't complain?" Read carefully. I was quite clear in saying that there is much that merits reform. I simply said that compaint should be free from hyperbole.


But hyperbole makes the world more interesting.


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13 Jan 2012, 10:34 pm

If anything you might want to take example on France! We're at what, our fifth republic already? :P And each time, we can change the constitution to whatever fits our needs (unlike yours, who lives through numerous amendments). Sadly though, we currently have an all-powerful elected President. -.- I really hope that we get a sixth republic in the nearby future so we can strip him of some of his powers. <.< I don't really like how he's turning France into "la Sarkozie". :p I can't wait for this summer btw, we're supposed to have presidential elections. :bounce: