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What is your religion or lack thereof?
Christain/jewish/other Jehovah/Yahweh centered religion 13%  13%  [ 7 ]
Muslim 4%  4%  [ 2 ]
Buddhist 4%  4%  [ 2 ]
My own personal religion creation (please explain) 8%  8%  [ 4 ]
Wiccan 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Agnostic 17%  17%  [ 9 ]
Atheist 37%  37%  [ 19 ]
Other (please specify) 17%  17%  [ 9 ]
Total votes : 52

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01 Apr 2012, 1:34 pm

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I don't feel a need for a belief either way on the religion topic. I have been raised with multiple belief systems which I have learned some valuable lessons from but personally I feel philosophy offers me more in way of beliefs than religion can.

Just because you feel there is a need for you to have a belief, does not mean I have that same need. Projection much?


You may not feel you need a belief, but that doesn't negate the fact that you do have one. Everyone has a belief, unless you're still in your onesies.

EDIT: Apatheism is a sham, a term used by people that want to bury their beliefs.

Guess what?

They are still there!


So now apatheism is a sham? :roll:

Apatheist is just another word for atheist, in my experience.

An atheist, by the way, lacks belief in the affirmative assertion "God exists".
It involves no positive claims.


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01 Apr 2012, 1:36 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
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I don't feel a need for a belief either way on the religion topic. I have been raised with multiple belief systems which I have learned some valuable lessons from but personally I feel philosophy offers me more in way of beliefs than religion can.

Just because you feel there is a need for you to have a belief, does not mean I have that same need. Projection much?


You may not feel you need a belief, but that doesn't negate the fact that you do have one. Everyone has a belief, unless you're still in your onesies.

EDIT: Apatheism is a sham, a term used by people that want to bury their beliefs.

Guess what?

They are still there!


So now apatheism is a sham? :roll:

Apatheist is just another word for atheist, in my experience.

An atheist, by the way, lacks belief in the affirmative assertion "God exists".
It involves no positive claims.


Their are diffrent versions of athesim out their just like their are so many diffrent branches of religion of any kind if we all beleived the same thing life would be boring life needs diversity and conflict of interests it makes life fun.



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01 Apr 2012, 1:38 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:
Apatheist is just another word for atheist, in my experience.

An atheist, by the way, lacks belief in the affirmative assertion "God exists".
It involves no positive claims.


I smell a nasty diaper!

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01 Apr 2012, 2:12 pm

Pyrite wrote:
Ummm.. why are Jews in category 1 but not Muslims?


Because I don't know my religion nor do I care much about it.


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01 Apr 2012, 2:18 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:
You're incorrect.
You confuse weak and strong atheism.
"(A)gnosticism" does not refer to belief at all, but to knowledge ("gnos").

I'm sorry- your definitions are quite simply in error.

The majority of atheists make no claims about the existence or non-existence of gods.


the majority of atheists = the minority of atheists. But I am glad that atheism is now known to have branches. Most atheists deny that there is anything outside of just... atheism.

And my definitions are clear, according to everything I hear from atheists, as well as what I could see from the Reason Rally, There are very few atheists at all that claim nothing on the non-existence of gods. If Richard Dawkins is also an example, he is quite popular for his works attacking the foundations of religion.

There can be atheistic agnostics and religious agnostics, but atheism is certainly NOT the middle ground, nor is it a neutral party in this war. Agnostics are more of the middle ground than atheism, which is a opposition force, will ever be.


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01 Apr 2012, 2:24 pm

iceveela wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
You're incorrect.
You confuse weak and strong atheism.
"(A)gnosticism" does not refer to belief at all, but to knowledge ("gnos").

I'm sorry- your definitions are quite simply in error.

The majority of atheists make no claims about the existence or non-existence of gods.


the majority of atheists = the minority of atheists. But I am glad that atheism is now known to have branches. Most atheists deny that there is anything outside of just... atheism.

And my definitions are clear, according to everything I hear from atheists, as well as what I could see from the Reason Rally, There are very few atheists at all that claim nothing on the non-existence of gods. If Richard Dawkins is also an example, he is quite popular for his works attacking the foundations of religion.

There can be atheistic agnostics and religious agnostics, but atheism is certainly NOT the middle ground, nor is it a neutral party in this war. Agnostics are more of the middle ground than atheism, which is a opposition force, will ever be.


Atheism does have its branches I would though like to be enlighten about their views on social issues polical things ect.



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01 Apr 2012, 2:27 pm

iceveela wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
You're incorrect.
You confuse weak and strong atheism.
"(A)gnosticism" does not refer to belief at all, but to knowledge ("gnos").

I'm sorry- your definitions are quite simply in error.

The majority of atheists make no claims about the existence or non-existence of gods.


the majority of atheists = the minority of atheists. But I am glad that atheism is now known to have branches. Most atheists deny that there is anything outside of just... atheism.

And my definitions are clear, according to everything I hear from atheists, as well as what I could see from the Reason Rally, There are very few atheists at all that claim nothing on the non-existence of gods. If Richard Dawkins is also an example, he is quite popular for his works attacking the foundations of religion.

There can be atheistic agnostics and religious agnostics, but atheism is certainly NOT the middle ground, nor is it a neutral party in this war. Agnostics are more of the middle ground than atheism, which is a opposition force, will ever be.

Agnostics can be either theist or atheist.
Atheism has a definition. At it's broadest, it means a lack of belief in god.
That, meaning skepticism, is the neutral position.
"Agnostic" does not even answer the question as to whether a person believes in god.
Most atheists ARE agnostics, because the two deal with two separate questions.


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01 Apr 2012, 2:30 pm

Silly question but what is a Theist?



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01 Apr 2012, 2:39 pm

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Silly question but what is a Theist?


Someone who believes in a God or gods.



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01 Apr 2012, 2:40 pm

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Joker wrote:
Silly question but what is a Theist?


Someone who believes in a God or gods.


So some one agnostic can be a thesit hmm strange but interesting thank you for answering my question.



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01 Apr 2012, 2:48 pm

To be agnostic simply means you don't know if god exist or not, but a theist believes in him/them.

So an agnostic atheist doesn't believe in god, but doesn't rule it out 100% either. The 0,00001% or whatever that remains can also approximate the probability of unicorns, however. I am about as agnostic about unicorns as I am about God, but am still an agnostic atheist.

Similarly an agnostic theist cannot say for sure that God exists, but lives their life as if one does.



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01 Apr 2012, 2:49 pm

I was wondering is it true that Atheists are some times critial of agnostic views? I have read books about it befor.



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01 Apr 2012, 2:50 pm

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I was wondering is it true that Atheists are some times critial of agnostic views? I have read books about it befor.


The two aren't separate groups.

Atheists are usually agnostics, themselves.

Remember???


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01 Apr 2012, 2:52 pm

Joker wrote:
I was wondering is it true that Atheists are some times critial of agnostic views? I have read books about it befor.


People that hold their atheism above their agnosticism can hold agnostics in scorn for being "weak"



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01 Apr 2012, 2:54 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:
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I was wondering is it true that Atheists are some times critial of agnostic views? I have read books about it befor.


The two aren't separate groups.

Atheists are usually agnostics, themselves.

Remember???


But as NewHuman said agnostics can still believe in God but strong atheists don't believe or are their not diffrent branches of atheist thought?

I am asking out of curiosity really.

So are you agnostic then if you don't mind me asking?



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