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03 Apr 2012, 8:42 pm

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I am a christian but I am very secualr about my faith it is a personal part of my life also I get along better with atheists at times because though they do not believe they often have good morals also you don't need to be religious to believe in God I have nor have I ever been an anti-atheist I see nothing wrong with not believeing so yeah im very secualuar about my faith and I don't let my faith get in the way of my political views I am a strong independent who is liberal on social issues and the law but some what but very little conservative on spending and the military.


Your liberal about... But I thought you were a fascist! :lol:

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03 Apr 2012, 8:47 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Joker wrote:
I am a christian but I am very secualr about my faith it is a personal part of my life also I get along better with atheists at times because though they do not believe they often have good morals also you don't need to be religious to believe in God I have nor have I ever been an anti-atheist I see nothing wrong with not believeing so yeah im very secualuar about my faith and I don't let my faith get in the way of my political views I am a strong independent who is liberal on social issues and the law but some what but very little conservative on spending and the military.


Your liberal about... But I thought you were a fascist! :lol:

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Fascisism is a mixed political thought that has both conservative and liberal views as of late I am leaning twoards my independent views the most cause aparently on WP I will get attacked or demonized for my Fascist views on military and spending.



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04 Apr 2012, 12:13 am

Rocky wrote:
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Agnostic, I don't know if there is/isn't a god, or if the big bang is true or if the multiverse is true, but I'm perfectly content with not knowing for sure.

Being agnostic is not just "I don't know", it is saying it is impossible to know. (Btw, I am agnostic.)


Are you an agnostic atheist or an agnostic theist? You have stated what can be known (as you see it) but some agnostics believe in a god using faith, while admitting that absolute knowledge about their god is impossible.

I think the existence of a creator/ordonator of the universe is so completely unknowable I don't see any reason to take a position. However, when other elements start piling up, like any kind of divine intervention after creation or precise details about the creator or the process of creation, I become very, very sceptic.

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Science says that men and women are equal. Islam says they are not.

All religions say women and men are different, because they were created at a time when the difference between both sexes was economically useful (unlike now).

The last time I read the Ancient Testament, "equal rights" was not a very important theme.


True. Most older religions make a point of explaining that women are mens property however... which is hardly something that can be explained as "economically useful".

Women often died during childbirth and overwhelmingly breastfed their children, about (or more than) half of which died before maturity, calling for higher fecundity rates. The difference was real. It was useful to divide tasks. Now, it isn't -- and the tasks are less and less divided.

Also, it is important to note that holy texts have enough content to be understood in any way whatsoever, no matter what they actually say. How they are used tells very little on the religion itself, and much more about the people who quote them. Saying that Islam is sexist is pure non-sense: fundamentalist muslims are sexists, and they would be even if there wasn't a single word about women in any major islamic text. It is at best a justification, an argument. I mean, just look at how people read the Bible. It can be pro-slavery or anti-slavery; in the Middle Ages, it was used to sanctify poverty and charity, now, it is used to back our Conservatives and the American Republicans (I don't think I need to say more); it was used to put the Emperor above the pope and bishops in the 4th century, and it was used to put the pope above the Emperor and bishops in the 12th.