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20 Apr 2012, 1:45 pm

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Miliant athiests will also kill those of any faith and their are more in the world then you think theists and non theists can be fanatics but one can't exisit with out the other the more non theists you have the more thiests you will have also it's the yin and yang of things so to speak.


the earths population is not determined by the ammount of believers nor non believers, it is quite detached.
so if there are more of one group it follows that the other becomes smaller.


also the whos worse game is degrading to the whole debate,


That was not my point the point but athiests are a group bigger in numbers then Theists are. It is the natural blance of thing's if everyone was a thiest or a non theist the world would be a very boring place life needs conflict and diveresty it makes life fun and interesting :wink:



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20 Apr 2012, 1:47 pm

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athiests are a group bigger in numbers then Theists are.


wtf are you talking about?


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20 Apr 2012, 1:49 pm

there is plenty of diversity in the real world,

also diversity isnt excactly tolerated by most religions in the first place.


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20 Apr 2012, 1:56 pm

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athiests are a group bigger in numbers then Theists are.


wtf are you talking about?


Look up the facts about how many people in the world are christian jewish or muslim then look up at how many non theists their are and you will notice that their are more non theists in the world and they are a bigger group.



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20 Apr 2012, 1:57 pm

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there is plenty of diversity in the real world,

also diversity isnt excactly tolerated by most religions in the first place.


Not true their are some christan churches and Jewish temples Muslim mosoques that onenly accept peopel for who they are that statement is you generalizing all religious people as the same.



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20 Apr 2012, 2:02 pm

Joker wrote:
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athiests are a group bigger in numbers then Theists are.


wtf are you talking about?


Look up the facts about how many people in the world are christian jewish or muslim then look up at how many non theists their are and you will notice that their are more non theists in the world and they are a bigger group.


Just between Christianity and Islam there are more than two billion faithful. Abrahamaic faiths are adhered to by almost half of all humans


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20 Apr 2012, 2:05 pm

Anyway the question is raised : "I wonder what people would think of me if I showed up at a church service dressed up like Ozzy Osbourne" Well with all the preachers that have advocated burning children with napalm so that we could win the war against Godless communism. With hateful sermons like that Ozzie Osbourne might as well have been the preacher.



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20 Apr 2012, 2:19 pm

Vigilans wrote:
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athiests are a group bigger in numbers then Theists are.


wtf are you talking about?


Look up the facts about how many people in the world are christian jewish or muslim then look up at how many non theists their are and you will notice that their are more non theists in the world and they are a bigger group.


Just between Christianity and Islam there are more than two billion faithful. Abrahamaic faiths are adhered to by almost half of all humans


Your not looking at how many non theists their are but the two biggests and most popular religions are Chrstianity and Islam your right.

I do feel sympathy for the non theists because they are in they middel of a never ending war between Jews Christians and Muslims.



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20 Apr 2012, 2:23 pm

Joker wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Joker wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Joker wrote:
athiests are a group bigger in numbers then Theists are.


wtf are you talking about?


Look up the facts about how many people in the world are christian jewish or muslim then look up at how many non theists their are and you will notice that their are more non theists in the world and they are a bigger group.


Just between Christianity and Islam there are more than two billion faithful. Abrahamaic faiths are adhered to by almost half of all humans


Your not looking at how many non theists their are but the two biggests and most popular religions are Chrstianity and Islam your right.

I do feel sympathy for the non theists because they are in they middel of a never ending war between Jews Christians and Muslims.


sigh..


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20 Apr 2012, 2:25 pm

Vigilans wrote:
Joker wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Joker wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Joker wrote:
athiests are a group bigger in numbers then Theists are.


wtf are you talking about?


Look up the facts about how many people in the world are christian jewish or muslim then look up at how many non theists their are and you will notice that their are more non theists in the world and they are a bigger group.


Just between Christianity and Islam there are more than two billion faithful. Abrahamaic faiths are adhered to by almost half of all humans


Your not looking at how many non theists their are but the two biggests and most popular religions are Chrstianity and Islam your right.

I do feel sympathy for the non theists because they are in they middel of a never ending war between Jews Christians and Muslims.


sigh..


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20 Apr 2012, 2:45 pm

Joker wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Joker wrote:
athiests are a group bigger in numbers then Theists are.


wtf are you talking about?


Look up the facts about how many people in the world are christian jewish or muslim then look up at how many non theists their are and you will notice that their are more non theists in the world and they are a bigger group.


Utter nonsense.
Atheists were virtually nonexistant in the human race until the mid 20th centurey.

Even today there are two billion christians, two billion muslims. Over a billion Hindus.Most of the billions of people in rurul villages of the vast hinterland of the third (Africa, china,etc) have some form of spirit worship or theism.

The religious vastly out number than non religous.

Although atheism and non standard theisms are only now becoming the norm in some parts of the industrialized world (like Canada and western europe). But not in the USA, and not in the world at large.

@Joker: There have never been Dictators mass murdering in the name of atheism.
Its not what you're saying so much as the way you're saying it.

The way to state it is that "Yes, religion has alot to answer for because the pages of history have been bloodied in the name of religion ( principly by Christianity and by Islam), but in the twentieth centurey SECULAR POLIICAL ideologies have murdered even more people. So secular political beliefs can be even more homocidal than religion.

Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, et al- each by himself murdered more people than all the crusades and jihads put together.

Now it is true that Marx branded religion as "the opiate of the masses" so (in some interpretations of marxism but not all) atheism is a tenet of Marxism. But Stalin murdered in the name marxism not of atheism per se. Obstaining from meat on Fridays used to be a tenet of Catholicism, but nobody claims that the Inquisition tortured people in the name of the seafood industry.



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20 Apr 2012, 2:56 pm

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Utter nonsense.
Atheists were virtually nonexistant in the human race until the mid 20th centurey.

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The very old age of the planet Earth discovered in the 19th century lead to many thinkers divesting themselves of the Biblical story of how the Earth was and how life got started. Atheism start catching on even before Darwin published "Origin of Species..."

Once it was clear that the Earth was gazillions of years old atheism could flourish are at least exist.

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20 Apr 2012, 4:38 pm

The movie 2001 a space odyssey includes the story about creation.



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20 Apr 2012, 5:51 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Joker wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Joker wrote:
athiests are a group bigger in numbers then Theists are.


wtf are you talking about?


Look up the facts about how many people in the world are christian jewish or muslim then look up at how many non theists their are and you will notice that their are more non theists in the world and they are a bigger group.


Utter nonsense.
Atheists were virtually nonexistant in the human race until the mid 20th centurey.

Even today there are two billion christians, two billion muslims. Over a billion Hindus.Most of the billions of people in rurul villages of the vast hinterland of the third (Africa, china,etc) have some form of spirit worship or theism.

The religious vastly out number than non religous.

Although atheism and non standard theisms are only now becoming the norm in some parts of the industrialized world (like Canada and western europe). But not in the USA, and not in the world at large.

@Joker: There have never been Dictators mass murdering in the name of atheism.
Its not what you're saying so much as the way you're saying it.

The way to state it is that "Yes, religion has alot to answer for because the pages of history have been bloodied in the name of religion ( principly by Christianity and by Islam), but in the twentieth centurey SECULAR POLIICAL ideologies have murdered even more people. So secular political beliefs can be even more homocidal than religion.

Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, et al- each by himself murdered more people than all the crusades and jihads put together.

Now it is true that Marx branded religion as "the opiate of the masses" so (in some interpretations of marxism but not all) atheism is a tenet of Marxism. But Stalin murdered in the name marxism not of atheism per se. Obstaining from meat on Fridays used to be a tenet of Catholicism, but nobody claims that the Inquisition tortured people in the name of the seafood industry.


Stalin ordered purges within the Soviet Union of any person deemed to be an enemy of the state (i.e. capitalists, theists). In total, estimates of the total number murdered under Stalin’s reign, range from 10 million to 60 million. His government promoted atheism with mass propaganda in school, and held a terror campaign against the religious. He crushed the Russian Orthodox Church, leveling thousands of churches and shooting more than 100,000 priests, monks and nuns between 1937 and 1938.



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20 Apr 2012, 7:43 pm

Joker wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Joker wrote:
athiests are a group bigger in numbers then Theists are.


wtf are you talking about?


Look up the facts about how many people in the world are christian jewish or muslim then look up at how many non theists their are and you will notice that their are more non theists in the world and they are a bigger group.


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Only 16% of the world population have no religious affiliation, but half of them are non-denominational theists, pantheists, and deists. That leaves only 8% atheists, not all of which identify as such. Some call themselves agnostics rather than atheists, others prefer labels such as non-religious or secular humanist. In any case, atheists are a small minority that constitutes less than 10% of the world population.



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20 Apr 2012, 8:00 pm

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Stalin ordered purges within the Soviet Union of any person deemed to be an enemy of the state (i.e. capitalists, theists).


Exactly. Stalin sought to eradicate all institutions, beliefs and ideologies that were incompatible with his own ideological belief system. A belief system that wasn't atheism but communism. He didn't wage war against religion in the name of atheism, he tried to replace all competing world views with his own communist world view.