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02 May 2012, 12:35 pm

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I am a Catholic. May I join this conversation?


Of course. :lol: Some Catholic countries have higher levels of morality than Protestent ones.


Such as?

BTW, Belgium may split into two, with one Belgium being more Catholic than the other, which may be more Protestant.
I learned about this the other day in my anthropology class.


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02 May 2012, 12:42 pm

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Czeslaw_Kowalski wrote:
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I am a Catholic. May I join this conversation?


Of course. :lol: Some Catholic countries have higher levels of morality than Protestent ones.


Such as?

BTW, Belgium may split into two, with one Belgium being more Catholic than the other, which may be more Protestant.
I learned about this the other day in my anthropology class.


Really now the catholic church as of late lacks morality your not gong to find to many bishops in a protestant church molesting kids ect.



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02 May 2012, 1:32 pm

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AnonymousAnonymous wrote:
Czeslaw_Kowalski wrote:
AnonymousAnonymous wrote:
I am a Catholic. May I join this conversation?


Of course. :lol: Some Catholic countries have higher levels of morality than Protestent ones.


Such as?

BTW, Belgium may split into two, with one Belgium being more Catholic than the other, which may be more Protestant.
I learned about this the other day in my anthropology class.


Really now the catholic church as of late lacks morality your not gong to find to many bishops in a protestant church molesting kids ect.


It's because the Protestant churches usually have no bishops to speak of, except Anglicans I guess.

One of the big issues between Catholic and Orthodox was married priests. Orthodox parish priests are generally married, but then if you wanna be a bishop or Patriarch, you have to be unmarried (which arguably is unscriptural, as Paul only gave the requirement of being a husband of one wife, but that may get sorted out eventually.) But parish priests generally are married, and actually the reasoning is for them to better understand their congregation, as they know what married life is like. Overall a smart decision I'd say. A lot of the Uniate Churches, ie, the Melkites, Byzantine Catholics, etc, one of their huge problems is the Vatican doesn't like Eastern Rite Catholics having married priests.

As far as the relation to molesting kids goes, arguably the Catholic Church's weird stance on married priests is at least partially to blame. As St. Paul said "It's better to marry than to burn with a passion." I mean, there's a few cases of Orthodox priests doing that, but every religion has that happen. Even a Muslim guy my friend used to talk to a lot, he said that imams in the mosques back home (In Pakistan) would have 13 year old girls they'd have sex with from the mosque. People abuse positions of power sometimes, it's that simple.

As far as Protestants go, you can find plenty of examples of Protestant ministers doing that sort of stuff. It happens a decent amount. Just, what happens when a Protestant does it, due to the decentralized nature of Protestantism, only the minister/his church goes down, and not all of Protestants as a whole.

I mean, I dislike the practices of the Roman Catholic Church as much as the next guy, but you seem to just be like "oh well, Protestants are cool, but those evil Catholics..." when much of the time, Protestants are guilty of the same thing. Orthodox too, obviously I can't say Czarist Russia was some paradise to live under. If you want an example of Protestants doing the exact same evil practices of the Catholics in governance, there's always John Calvin's theocracy in Geneva.



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02 May 2012, 2:09 pm

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Joker wrote:
AnonymousAnonymous wrote:
Czeslaw_Kowalski wrote:
AnonymousAnonymous wrote:
I am a Catholic. May I join this conversation?


Of course. :lol: Some Catholic countries have higher levels of morality than Protestent ones.


Such as?

BTW, Belgium may split into two, with one Belgium being more Catholic than the other, which may be more Protestant.
I learned about this the other day in my anthropology class.


Really now the catholic church as of late lacks morality your not gong to find to many bishops in a protestant church molesting kids ect.


It's because the Protestant churches usually have no bishops to speak of, except Anglicans I guess.

One of the big issues between Catholic and Orthodox was married priests. Orthodox parish priests are generally married, but then if you wanna be a bishop or Patriarch, you have to be unmarried (which arguably is unscriptural, as Paul only gave the requirement of being a husband of one wife, but that may get sorted out eventually.) But parish priests generally are married, and actually the reasoning is for them to better understand their congregation, as they know what married life is like. Overall a smart decision I'd say. A lot of the Uniate Churches, ie, the Melkites, Byzantine Catholics, etc, one of their huge problems is the Vatican doesn't like Eastern Rite Catholics having married priests.

As far as the relation to molesting kids goes, arguably the Catholic Church's weird stance on married priests is at least partially to blame. As St. Paul said "It's better to marry than to burn with a passion." I mean, there's a few cases of Orthodox priests doing that, but every religion has that happen. Even a Muslim guy my friend used to talk to a lot, he said that imams in the mosques back home (In Pakistan) would have 13 year old girls they'd have sex with from the mosque. People abuse positions of power sometimes, it's that simple.

As far as Protestants go, you can find plenty of examples of Protestant ministers doing that sort of stuff. It happens a decent amount. Just, what happens when a Protestant does it, due to the decentralized nature of Protestantism, only the minister/his church goes down, and not all of Protestants as a whole.

I mean, I dislike the practices of the Roman Catholic Church as much as the next guy, but you seem to just be like "oh well, Protestants are cool, but those evil Catholics..." when much of the time, Protestants are guilty of the same thing. Orthodox too, obviously I can't say Czarist Russia was some paradise to live under. If you want an example of Protestants doing the exact same evil practices of the Catholics in governance, there's always John Calvin's theocracy in Geneva.


Not quite true Proestants have done many evils as well and John Clavin was a very evil proestant so was Martin Luther the founder of the lutherean church their is evil on both sides yes. But at least I will admit that I am bais the Irish proestand in me has a bit of a problem with the catholics in my family. But I try to be fair inregards to both churches.



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02 May 2012, 2:12 pm

Dolchavia must be a fascinating alternate reality


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02 May 2012, 2:13 pm

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Dolchavia must be a fascinating alternate reality


I wouldn't really know I don't know much about it.



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02 May 2012, 2:16 pm

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Dolchavia must be a fascinating alternate reality


I wouldn't really know I don't know much about it.


It is a nonexistent country the OP has referred to before


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02 May 2012, 2:17 pm

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I mean, yes, the Crusaders, they did lots of bad terrible stuff, but originally, like most bad things, started out with sort of a good point behind them.


"Kill the infidels occupying the Holy Land" is sort of good?


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02 May 2012, 2:19 pm

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I mean, yes, the Crusaders, they did lots of bad terrible stuff, but originally, like most bad things, started out with sort of a good point behind them.


"Kill the infidels occupying the Holy Land" is sort of good?


About kil the infidels at the time the religious maninly lived in the middel east and muslims and christians where at war for controle of the holy land.

But neither side was right it was a pointless war.



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02 May 2012, 2:39 pm

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I mean, yes, the Crusaders, they did lots of bad terrible stuff, but originally, like most bad things, started out with sort of a good point behind them.


"Kill the infidels occupying the Holy Land" is sort of good?


About kil the infidels at the time the religious maninly lived in the middel east and muslims and christians where at war for controle of the holy land.

But neither side was right it was a pointless war.


Are you drunk


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02 May 2012, 2:41 pm

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1000Knives wrote:
I mean, yes, the Crusaders, they did lots of bad terrible stuff, but originally, like most bad things, started out with sort of a good point behind them.


"Kill the infidels occupying the Holy Land" is sort of good?


About kil the infidels at the time the religious maninly lived in the middel east and muslims and christians where at war for controle of the holy land.

But neither side was right it was a pointless war.


Are you drunk


Not yet :lol: :wink:



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02 May 2012, 2:44 pm

When I said the religious I meant the Jews Christians and Muslims



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02 May 2012, 5:24 pm

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...if it weren't for the reconquest of Spain, Spain would be an Islamic state today.


And why would this be a bad thing?



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02 May 2012, 5:25 pm

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...if it weren't for the reconquest of Spain, Spain would be an Islamic state today.


And why would this be a bad thing?


Because Spain has a very high population of Orthodox and Roman Catholics not saying it would be a bad thing but Islam has yet to go through religious reformation.



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02 May 2012, 5:33 pm

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Because Spain has a very high population of Orthodox and Roman Catholics not saying it would be a bad thing but Islam has yet to go through religious reformation.


Islamic empires of the middle ages were often more tolerant of religious minorities than Christian Europe. The fact that Islam has yet to have major religious reform (something along the lines of what Christianity went through) can be attributed to extraneous circumstances which may have been unable to cause an Islamic Iberian peninsula to stagnate to the point that much of the current Islamic world has in terms of social modernization due to its distance from the whirlpool of historic turmoil that is southwest Asia and northern Africa.



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02 May 2012, 5:37 pm

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Because Spain has a very high population of Orthodox and Roman Catholics not saying it would be a bad thing but Islam has yet to go through religious reformation.


Islamic empires of the middle ages were often more tolerant of religious minorities than Christian Europe. The fact that Islam has yet to have major religious reform (something along the lines of what Christianity went through) can be attributed to extraneous circumstances which may have been unable to cause an Islamic Iberian peninsula to stagnate to the point that much of the current Islamic world has in terms of social modernization due to its distance from the whirlpool of historic turmoil that is southwest Asia and northern Africa.


While that is true then now it is the opposite the methdoist church openly accepts gays and lesbians. And even have homosexual or lesbians preachers. Also the reason Islam needs to go through reformation that Christianity did is so that we can try to have peace in the middel east. And they can quit the honor killings and fatwas ect.