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09 Jun 2012, 9:14 pm

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NO NO not at all like my God.

Then I wonder what is the difference between their Dear Leader worship and your God worship?


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09 Jun 2012, 9:17 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
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NO NO not at all like my God.

Then I wonder what is the difference between their Dear Leader worship and your God worship?


A big diffrenence a really big diffrenence.



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09 Jun 2012, 9:18 pm

Feel free to explain it.


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09 Jun 2012, 9:20 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
Feel free to explain it.


I think you can answer that question yourself.



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09 Jun 2012, 9:21 pm

Since you are allowing me to answer the question, I will take the following answer:

The main difference between North Korean and Christians is that Jesus died 2000 years ago.


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09 Jun 2012, 9:22 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
Since you are allowing me to answer the question, I will take the following answer:

The main difference between North Korean and Christians is that Jesus died 2000 years ago.


Bingo ya see that is the difference and plus we believe in God a entity a supreme being not a North Korean.



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10 Jun 2012, 3:12 am

Ah, Maximiliano Hernandez Martinez... the one with the "invisible legions" who reported all plots to the United States.



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10 Jun 2012, 3:30 am

Joker wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
Since you are allowing me to answer the question, I will take the following answer:

The main difference between North Korean and Christians is that Jesus died 2000 years ago.


Bingo ya see that is the difference and plus we believe in God a entity a supreme being not a North Korean.


The guy (if he existed) died 2000 years ago but the followers still think he exists, so that's the same for all intents and purposes. And North Koreans conceive of their leader as basically infallible and supreme, so no difference there either. Can you articulate a meaningful difference?



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10 Jun 2012, 3:50 am

Worth a watch:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBw_aEOT2Dk[/youtube]



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10 Jun 2012, 4:42 am

I'm not being apologetic at all for the US but other big super powers tend to do the same. France supplied A LOT of weapons to the Iraqi military as well, such as exocet missiles and Mirage fighter jets, several of which attacked USN ships during the original Persian Gulf conflict otherwise known as the Iraq-Iran war. The Soviet Union and Russia did (and still do) the same thing.



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10 Jun 2012, 5:08 am

NeueZiel wrote:
I'm not being apologetic at all for the US but other big super powers tend to do the same. France supplied A LOT of weapons to the Iraqi military as well, such as exocet missiles and Mirage fighter jets, several of which attacked USN ships during the original Persian Gulf conflict otherwise known as the Iraq-Iran war. The Soviet Union and Russia did (and still do) the same thing.


That's certainly true. People who speak out against American foreign policy are often accused of being "mindlessly anti-American". But actually, most people understand that America is simply behaving the way that every powerful state has behaved all throughout history.

At the moment, there is only one superpower in the world. It is unchallenged and unchallengeable. What would you expect such a state to do, if you know anything about history? Well, that's exactly what it's doing. The real "mindless" people are the people who think that the laws of history mysteriously stopped being true ever since the American revolution.



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10 Jun 2012, 5:58 am

NeueZiel wrote:
I'm not being apologetic at all for the US but other big super powers tend to do the same. France supplied A LOT of weapons to the Iraqi military as well, such as exocet missiles and Mirage fighter jets, several of which attacked USN ships during the original Persian Gulf conflict otherwise known as the Iraq-Iran war. The Soviet Union and Russia did (and still do) the same thing.


Most of us who disagree are anti-imperialists and pro-democracy or simply interested in human rights. That generally means that it doesn't matter who is doing it, whether it be the USA, England, France or China, we would still disagree.

It also means that we want the population to have free and fair elections and that their choices should be respected, regardless if the USA or any other power happens to disagree with them. No more coups, assassinations, embargo's, sanctions, supporting rebels or supporting dictatorships (military or otherwise) for their own economic and strategic ends.

Since 1945 the USA has been the biggest superpower the world has ever seen, that is why the focus is on it in this thread.


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10 Jun 2012, 8:20 am

Declension wrote:

At the moment, there is only one superpower in the world. It is unchallenged and unchallengeable. What would you expect such a state to do, if you know anything about history? Well, that's exactly what it's doing. The real "mindless" people are the people who think that the laws of history mysteriously stopped being true ever since the American revolution.


Our super-power-ness is highly challenged. The Chinese are doing it. In addition the cost of being a super-power is bankrupting the United States. Perhaps we should turn it over to the Chinese and see how well they do. We cannot really afford to be a super-power any more.

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10 Jun 2012, 1:40 pm

Today there are many powers that are interdependent.
It is wrong to think that the world is only dominated by the USA and China.

The main goal of a nation should be to have happy inhabitants not to have more power than other nations.
Power brings problems. Nations with the will to be a super-power are wasting ressources and money.



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10 Jun 2012, 1:57 pm

This is quite an impressive list. I knew we supported a dozen or so dictators but I didn't know the list was so long. Makes me sad to be American.



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10 Jun 2012, 4:25 pm

A dictatorship is so much easier.


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