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01 Jul 2012, 9:33 pm

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No, Jesus never mentioned Odin, not as recorded in the bible anyways.


I personally go with the name Wodan.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I like Votan, mostly because that's how Czernobog pronounced it in American Gods, and Czernobog was awesome in that book.


I go with Wodan (probably pronounced Uaodan or Votan) because that was his name in Pre-Christian Germany, and my family is mostly German on both sides.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


The Deity's name is Woodstein.

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01 Jul 2012, 9:37 pm

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No, Jesus never mentioned Odin, not as recorded in the bible anyways.


I personally go with the name Wodan.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I like Votan, mostly because that's how Czernobog pronounced it in American Gods, and Czernobog was awesome in that book.


I go with Wodan (probably pronounced Uaodan or Votan) because that was his name in Pre-Christian Germany, and my family is mostly German on both sides.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


The Deity's name is Woodstein.

ruveyn


With his counterpart, Bernward? :lol:
(I understand certain tribes call them Woodward and Bernstein.)

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01 Jul 2012, 11:29 pm

Some of us just call Him Grandfather Wotan, or Grandfather Spirit. Sometimes, Blessed Mother and He send Holy Spirit. This is one of the reasons I am an avid birdwatcher. Figure out that one, and go to the head of the class.



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01 Jul 2012, 11:35 pm

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Some of us just call Him Grandfather Wotan, or Grandfather Spirit. Sometimes, Blessed Mother and He send Holy Spirit. This is one of the reasons I am an avid birdwatcher. Figure out that one, and go to the head of the class.


Meaning his ravens, Mind and Memory?

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02 Jul 2012, 1:07 am

Very, very close, my friend. But, go immediately to the head of my class.

The best answer is that Holy Spirit is often represented as a white dove, a bird.

Thank you for your good reply.



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02 Jul 2012, 1:16 am

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Very, very close, my friend. But, go immediately to the head of my class.

The best answer is that Holy Spirit is often represented as a white dove, a bird.

Thank you for your good reply.


Sorry, I was thinking about Wodan when you mentioned birds, and automatically assumed you were talking about his ravens, not of the Holy Spirit appearing as a Dove. I should have read your post more carefully.

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02 Jul 2012, 10:36 am

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Can you provide the Greek for the New Testament passages?


Sure. http://www.scripture4all.org/ This program is offered for free and contains the complete bible in both Hebrew Aramaic and Greek. You'll be shock by the number of places the divine name appears in Hebrew Aramaic. If you connect where Jesus said "It is Written" and the apostles references to the Hebrew Aramaic scriptures you'll get a greater scope of how many times God's true name appears in the bible.


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02 Jul 2012, 10:48 am

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I quite regularly read the Bible--ALL of it, Old Testament and the New. Currently reading through it for the third time in almost as many years, and the commentary from my study Bible is still fresh on my brain--which is why I'm reading a different Bible, same translation, just without the commentary. I do not recall Jesus ever calling the Name. He called God "Father," "Father in Heaven," "Abba" (which translates to "Father"), "Eli" (quoting a psalm during the crucifixion), "Lord" (quoting OT scripture). Most references that I recall are to our "Heavenly Father."

No reasoning Christian is just going to accept just anything anyone says about the Bible, not even something as nit-picky like whether Jesus invoked the Name. It really doesn't make any theological difference, which is what I see as the central issue of this thread. And I don't see how it makes a theological difference if someone substitutes "Theos" for Yahweh. We're still referring to the one true God. Only someone who doesn't believe the Bible would see fit to change the Bible.

You're making the assertion that "Yahweh" appears in the New Testament. I don't doubt the possibility that YHWH might have been spoken by Jesus at all. But at the same time I'd like to see this for myself so I can accept it as true. By saying it is in the NT (if Jesus did say it, it would be in the Gospels), you bear the burden of proof. You don't just get to say whatever you want about the Bible and then refuse to back up what you say.

So...

Evidence, please. I want to know book, chapter, and verse of the NT in which Jesus invokes the Name.


Consider for the moment that you agree that Jesus is God's son. What did Jesus say when he gave the model prayer in his sermon? “YOU must pray, then, this way: “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified."" (Matthew 6:9) That part of the prayer was so important it was the first thing Jesus mentioned. Now does it stand to reason that during Jesus' ministry and when he was confronted by the pharisees he would have somehow did a 180-degree turn and used Elohim or Adonai instead of God's name? Consider this, in a very emotional prayer to his Father, just before his death, Jesus stated "I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me out of the world." (John 17:6) Could he have been able to manifest God's name if he only used Elohim or Adonai?


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02 Jul 2012, 11:00 am

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Can you provide the Greek for the New Testament passages?


Sure. http://www.scripture4all.org/ This program is offered for free and contains the complete bible in both Hebrew Aramaic and Greek. You'll be shock by the number of places the divine name appears in Hebrew Aramaic. If you connect where Jesus said "It is Written" and the apostles references to the Hebrew Aramaic scriptures you'll get a greater scope of how many times God's true name appears in the bible.


Yod Heh Vav Heh.

Hundreds of times.


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02 Jul 2012, 2:35 pm

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I quite regularly read the Bible--ALL of it, Old Testament and the New. Currently reading through it for the third time in almost as many years, and the commentary from my study Bible is still fresh on my brain--which is why I'm reading a different Bible, same translation, just without the commentary. I do not recall Jesus ever calling the Name. He called God "Father," "Father in Heaven," "Abba" (which translates to "Father"), "Eli" (quoting a psalm during the crucifixion), "Lord" (quoting OT scripture). Most references that I recall are to our "Heavenly Father."

No reasoning Christian is just going to accept just anything anyone says about the Bible, not even something as nit-picky like whether Jesus invoked the Name. It really doesn't make any theological difference, which is what I see as the central issue of this thread. And I don't see how it makes a theological difference if someone substitutes "Theos" for Yahweh. We're still referring to the one true God. Only someone who doesn't believe the Bible would see fit to change the Bible.

You're making the assertion that "Yahweh" appears in the New Testament. I don't doubt the possibility that YHWH might have been spoken by Jesus at all. But at the same time I'd like to see this for myself so I can accept it as true. By saying it is in the NT (if Jesus did say it, it would be in the Gospels), you bear the burden of proof. You don't just get to say whatever you want about the Bible and then refuse to back up what you say.

So...

Evidence, please. I want to know book, chapter, and verse of the NT in which Jesus invokes the Name.


Consider for the moment that you agree that Jesus is God's son. What did Jesus say when he gave the model prayer in his sermon? “YOU must pray, then, this way: “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified."" (Matthew 6:9) That part of the prayer was so important it was the first thing Jesus mentioned. Now does it stand to reason that during Jesus' ministry and when he was confronted by the pharisees he would have somehow did a 180-degree turn and used Elohim or Adonai instead of God's names? Consider this, in a very emotional prayer to his Father, just before his death, Jesus stated "I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me out of the world." (John 17:6) Could he have been able to manifest God's name if he only used Elohim or Adonai?

"Yahweh" does not appear in Matthew 6:9 or John 17:6. I'd like to know where the Name appears in the New Testament.



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02 Jul 2012, 2:40 pm

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"Yahweh" does not appear in Matthew 6:9 or John 17:6. I'd like to know where the Name appears in the New Testament.


Then tell me who do you think Jesus was referring to?



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02 Jul 2012, 2:51 pm

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"Yahweh" does not appear in Matthew 6:9 or John 17:6. I'd like to know where the Name appears in the New Testament.


Then tell me who do you think Jesus was referring to?

Does the Name appear in the New Testament or not?



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02 Jul 2012, 9:40 pm

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"Yahweh" does not appear in Matthew 6:9 or John 17:6. I'd like to know where the Name appears in the New Testament.


Then tell me who do you think Jesus was referring to?

Does the Name appear in the New Testament or not?


You have all the tools at your disposal. Your have a copy of the bible. You have the various scriptures I quoted. You also have your God given intellect. You can use your powers of reason to answer your own question.



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02 Jul 2012, 9:43 pm

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"Yahweh" does not appear in Matthew 6:9 or John 17:6. I'd like to know where the Name appears in the New Testament.


Then tell me who do you think Jesus was referring to?

Does the Name appear in the New Testament or not?


You have all the tools at your disposal. Your have a copy of the bible. You have the various scriptures I quoted. You also have your God given intellect. You can use your powers of reason to answer your own question.


Better question - why should anyone give a damn what God's name is? No, seriously - even if one is a theist, what does it matter what His name is unless one intends on trying to look Him up in a phone book in Heaven?


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02 Jul 2012, 9:52 pm

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why should anyone give a ---- what God's name is?


Only you can answer that question.



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Better question - why should anyone give a damn what God's name is?


Only you can answer that question.


Really? As someone who evidently gives a damn what God's name is, I'd been hoping you might have a reason, thereby lending me insight into the minds of theists.


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